Hi, On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 16:21 +0100, Calum Benson wrote: > Yep, I prefer it too, but all the other feedback so far has been to > stick with the JDS 3 version. (And I do think the community version > would look pretty intimidating with our 'quick launch' bit stuck on top, > which again, people have been very keen to retain.)
Do people really use the quick launch stuff? How does its useage compare with say, a desktop icon or a panel launcher? > > Your proposal doesn't mention anything about how the menubar applet > > changes, or how nautilus Go menu might change. > > Not yet, still working on that bit... although we didn't bother changing > the menubar applet in previous JDS versions, so it was always out of > sync, but nobody ever complained AFAIK. So that's probably not a high > priority. Didn't bother = Didn't realize it until too late, and then it was a suitably low priority = Screwup, and I'll happily own up to that one. > It's true we seem to be getting pulled a bit in two directions these > days though... not so long ago it was the "minimize the number of > patches we maintain" edict, but more recently it's all "we can do better > for our users than the generic community version" again. What's a man > to do...? Just as long as those offering advice really understand the costs of such changes. I don't think I can really properly understand them myself, but I imagine it's running into 10's of thousands of dollars when you add it all up. > > o The [username] submenu is really going to look out of place. > > Well, it's basically just the community Places menu of course, so we > could just go back to calling it Places again. I wouldn't have any > objection to that personally. It just looks a bit bad if you have a crufty username. There's a lot of people not particularly proud to be a number, myself included - not sure we want to expose it too much. > > o I don't think we should include at-poke in the menus > > Hmm, why not, how is it any different from other development tools? > (Which admittedly aren't in there yet-- I'm still waiting on the list > that we want to include.) Is it really useful to the developers we're trying to capture? It's not the most intuitive of interfaces either :) > > o Save Screenshot/Take Screenshot - is the string change *really* > > that crucial? > > No, but it matches the title of the dialog that appears when you select > it, which is needlessly different at the moment. Would want to try and > get this change back to the community, certainly (as we would with > almost all of the proposed tooltip changes, probably-- most of the > current community ones are dire). I'd be happy with an upstream change - let's get it changed there before we change our menus, IMHO. > > o I really hate the Staroffice 8 menu items. > > Well, I'm sure you remember the last time we had that conversation with > the StarOffice team :) I'd be happy to suggest something else, but > they've always insisted on having "StarOffice <n>" in all their menu > items before, so it didn't seem worth the effort this time. Absolutely - that's why I'm suggesting it again. I'm a trouble maker. > > [1] And yet more delta between other GNOME vendors out there - Red > > Hat, > > Ubuntu, Novell, Nexenta, etc.. > > Well, they're customising their menus to some extent as well, albeit not > as much as we're proposing. (E.g. off the top of my head, Ubuntu has a > "System" menu instead of "Desktop", and "Go" instead of "Places" in > Nautilus... or do we just have Places instead of Go?) Yeah, that's rather unfortunate as well. However, you seem to admit that there's a lot of merit in the current community layouts - perhaps we need to start from there, and see what absolutely *has* to change. I'm not sure 'familiarity with JDS 3' is altogether that important - do people really remember menu contents and locations? Would a new layout really surprise them a whole deal? Glynn
