On 6/24/05, James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> Wrom: SZLKBRNVWWCUFPEGAUTFJMVRESKPNKMBIPBARHDMN
> To: "MyFaces Development" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 10:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Proposal: Elimiante jar files from SVN
> 
> 
> > James Mitchell wrote:
> >
> >> Unless I missed it somewhere, no one has mentioned the extra bloat in
> >> your source distributions (if you include the binary dependencies).
> >
> > James,
> >
> > you need the binary dependencies anyway to build the project, so what is
> > your point? You download the source distribution with libs included or
> > you download the source distribution without libs and ant does the lib
> > download afterwards. The sum of required network traffic is the same.
> >
> 
> That's true for the developer.  But I was also considering ASF hardware and
> bandwidth.  Again, that's a drop in the bucket if only MyFaces were doing
> it.  But you are not.  I have had this same conversation (beating the same
> dead horse) with developers on other projects, both here, sf.net, and many,
> MANY closed source projects.

To reinforce this point, even though *you* (someone downloading the
CVS or SVN sources of a project) does not pay for the network
bandwidth, the ASF *does* pay for it.  I'd rather see that money
supporting more users, rather than downloading zillions of copies of
the same JAR files.

For the record, I am absolutely and totally -1 on including JAR files
in the source code repository of any Apache project that I work on. 
Including them in a binary distribution, of course, is a totally
different animal.

Craig

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