Craig, What are your thoughts on including them in a binary distribution? What is Struts doing these days?
I think for our example web applications its nice to include them (so you can just drop in the WAR file and go.) I'm not so sure for the binary distributions. Currently we include the jars in the binary distribution but maybe it makes sense not to do that either. sean On 6/25/05, Craig McClanahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 6/24/05, James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Wrom: SZLKBRNVWWCUFPEGAUTFJMVRESKPNKMBIPBARHDMN > > To: "MyFaces Development" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 10:08 PM > > Subject: Re: Proposal: Elimiante jar files from SVN > > > > > > > James Mitchell wrote: > > > > > >> Unless I missed it somewhere, no one has mentioned the extra bloat in > > >> your source distributions (if you include the binary dependencies). > > > > > > James, > > > > > > you need the binary dependencies anyway to build the project, so what is > > > your point? You download the source distribution with libs included or > > > you download the source distribution without libs and ant does the lib > > > download afterwards. The sum of required network traffic is the same. > > > > > > > That's true for the developer. But I was also considering ASF hardware and > > bandwidth. Again, that's a drop in the bucket if only MyFaces were doing > > it. But you are not. I have had this same conversation (beating the same > > dead horse) with developers on other projects, both here, sf.net, and many, > > MANY closed source projects. > > To reinforce this point, even though *you* (someone downloading the > CVS or SVN sources of a project) does not pay for the network > bandwidth, the ASF *does* pay for it. I'd rather see that money > supporting more users, rather than downloading zillions of copies of > the same JAR files. > > For the record, I am absolutely and totally -1 on including JAR files > in the source code repository of any Apache project that I work on. > Including them in a binary distribution, of course, is a totally > different animal. > > Craig >
