Hi Neil, Great plan and thanks for the thinking you've put into it!
To reiterate for everyone -- Oracle is handing the domain name 'netbeans.org' to Apache, which means Apache will be serving up 'netbeans.org' (hence it is in no way at all going away, indeed 'netbeans.org' is very important and no one is talking in any form of 'taking it out of the ether'), and the idea in the Apache NetBeans community is to reroute everything currently on 'netbeans.org' to equivalent locations on 'netbeans.apache.org'. Indeed, to respond to a question from Neil, now that the documents are signed, this process is only now beginning. That means Oracle will continue hosting the old site for the time needed to transition it and its content to Apache. A question indeed is what will happen to the NetBeans artifacts, i.e., the downloads for NetBeans IDE 8.2 and earlier releases. One point to be aware of is that these are not physically found on the Oracle servers, but instead at Akamai. So, netbeans.org/downloads only contains the download pages themselves. The actual binaries are served from Akami CDN. So when ' netbeans.org' moves to Apache, it will be still be pointing to Akami and downloads should continue to work, however, the question is whether Apache or someone else can take over the Akami download location, where the bits are available. The most important content on 'netbeans.org' are the tutorials and learning trails: https://netbeans.org/kb/index.html. These are part of the donation that is currently being wrapped up and those tutorials will then be given in a ZIP file, together with the related images, to us here in Apache NetBeans, and we will then be able to include them in the equivalent location at 'netbeans.apache.org'. Aside from that, I don't know if there's anything at 'netbeans.org' that we want to have at 'netbeans.apache.org'? Hope these points help us further along in this discussion. Thanks, Gj On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 8:54 PM, Neil C Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi All, > > With various conversations going on around the domain transfer and > also the website, Geertjan suggested I start a topic here with a > suggestion for handling redirects from https://netbeans.org to > https://netbeans.apache.org This is all assuming, as discussed a > while ago, that the apache.org address ends up as the primary domain > for the project as a whole (at least some parts of the content is > required to be hosted there). > > In order that we don't lose the current content on > https://netbeans.org while we wait for it to be migrated (it hasn't > been donated yet!), Oracle will have to continue hosting the old site > for a while. I suggested that Oracle also make it accessible at > https://old.netbeans.org. > > Then we can put a permanent redirect from https://netbeans.org to > https://netbeans.apache.org (as well as from www.netbeans.org), > hopefully leaving the various other subdomains functioning correctly > and independently (https certificates could be a problem here?) > > On the https://netbeans.apache.org side we then do a blanket temporary > redirect for all missing pages (404s) to the same path on > https://old.netbeans.org > > As we migrate content or decide to override pages, our pages on Apache > infra should then take precedence. And that should hopefully mean > that all existing inbound links continue to work, Google updates the > links to netbeans.apache.org without spidering old.netbeans.org, and > world peace breaks out .. :-) OK, so does this work or what are the > potential flaws I've overlooked? > > First step would seem to be Oracle ensuring the site is accessible and > works correctly from old.netbeans.org without accessing any resources > from the base domain (otherwise we'll get fun redirect loops!)? > > And the funky code that leads to the interesting place > https://www.netbeans.org goes may need to be looked at!? > > Any thoughts, or back to the drawing board? > > Best wishes, > > Neil > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > >
