Apologies for the massive number of typos. I was angry when I read the response to my thoughtful messages. I tried my best to hold back. I didn’t even have the energy to check what I’d written before hitting send.
> On Oct 24, 2019, at 7:37 PM, Paul Walsh <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> On Oct 24, 2019, at 6:53 PM, Peter Gutmann <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Paul Walsh via dev-security-policy <[email protected]> >> writes: >> >>> we conducted the same research with 85,000 active users over a period of >>> 12 months >> >> As I've already pointed out weeks ago when you first raised this, your >> marketing department conducted a survey of EV marketing effectiveness. > > [PW] With respect Peter, you articulate your opinion doesn’t make it a matter > of fact. Read the article properly and you will see that it’s not from a > marketing department. It’s a small startup that wanted to conduct a social > experiment. > >> If >> you have a refereed, peer-reviewed study published at a conference or in >> an academic journal, please reference it, not a marketing survey >> masquerading as a "study”. > > Rubbish. We don’t need to publish at a conference or in an academic journal > for it to demonstrate a point. If *you* don’t want to trust it, that’s ok. I > don’t expect everyone to trust everything that is written. > > As Homer Simpson said; “70% of all reports are made up”. > > Our work is not marketing - you obviously didn’t read the methodology and the > reasons or you wouldn’t make such silly comments. > >> >> A second suggestion, if you don't want to publish any research (by which I >> mean real research, not rent-seeking CA marketing) supporting your position, > > Did you read any of the words I wrote? I’ve said more than once that I don’t > work for a CA - never have. You’re obviously a CA-hater and hate everything > that’s ever discussed about website identity. Haters are gonna hate. I > couldn’t be more impartial. > > >> is that you fork Firefox - it is after all an open-source product - add >> whatever EV UI you like to it, and publish it as an alternative to Firefox. >> If your approach works as you claim, it'll be so obviously superior to >> Firefox that everyone will go with your fork rather than the original. > > Another weird comment. Forking code and building products doesn’t mean people > will use it. I have nothing to prove to anyone. If all the browser vendors > did as I suggest it would mean there’s no need for our flagship product. So > how on earth could I be biased. My commentary or counter productive for my > shareholders and team. But I care about what’s in the best of industry. You > clearly don’t because you need to have the word “Google” or “Stanford” > stamped on a PDF. None of the authors of any of those documents come close to > the level of experience that my team and I have - including our industry > contributions. I was the first person to ever re-write Tim Berner’s Lee’s > vision of the “one web” when I co-founded the Mobile Web Initiative. I > shouldn’t have to throw these things around just to appease you. Do your > research if you actually care. > >> >> For everyone else who feels this interminable debate has already gone on >> far too long and I'm not helping it, yeah, sorry, I'd consigned the thread >> to the spam folder for awhile, had a brief look back, and saw this, which >> indicates it's literally gone nowhere in about a month. > > Go play in your spam folder for a little longer because I’m done responding > to your insults. You didn’t question anything outside our intent which is to > question my integrity. I won’t accept that - it’s as insulting as it gets. > >> >> I can see why Mozilla avoided this endless broken-record discussion, it's >> not contributing anything but just going round and round in circles. > > It’s going around in circles because you refuse to take the time and effort > to read what has been written. Instead, you assume we have ulterior motives. > As I’ve said, my motives are not necessarily in the best interest of my > company. > > - Paul > >> >> Peter. > _______________________________________________ dev-security-policy mailing list [email protected] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-security-policy
