Thank you for compiling this Kathleen. I do think it will help in assessing
future inclusion requests, but of course it won't cover every possible
situation. It is implied in the MRSP, but might be worth making explicit
here that inclusion requests may be denied for reasons/behaviors not [yet]
listed on this wiki page. Additional comments:

- The bullet on a large volume of mis-issuance makes sense from the
perspective of not including a root that has misissued a bunch of certs
(instead make the CA submit a new "clean" root)
- However, in line with a previous comment, I have more concern with
repeated mis-issuance than the number of misissued certs. This might be
more broadly stated as repeated incidents.
- The CA's response to mis-issuance/incidents is important. Did the CA
self-report or wait for the community to raise the issue? Did they revoke
promptly? Identify and remediate the root cause?
- I'd also suggest adding something about not providing prompt and detailed
responses to Mozilla inquiries as a concerning behavior or warning sign.
- The bullet on CAB Forum membership is slightly problematic because CAB
Forum membership requires the CAs roots to be recognized in at least one
browser, and Mozilla is often the first.  Adding "or interested party" or
changing "member" to "participant" would solve this.

Thanks,

Wayne

On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 3:16 PM Kathleen Wilson <[email protected]> wrote:

> All,
>
> I will greatly appreciate your feedback on the following new wiki page.
>
> https://wiki.mozilla.org/CA/Root_Inclusion_Considerations
>
> As you all know, sometimes we have very difficult decisions to make in
> regards to new inclusion or continued inclusion of root certificates in
> Mozilla's root store. With this new wiki page I am hoping to make such
> difficult root inclusion decisions more deterministic. Hopefully it will
> help the next time we have a difficult discussion about a CA who is
> currently in Mozilla's program. And hopefully it will enable us to decline
> root inclusion requests before we even get to the public discussion phase
> when the CA has participated in unacceptable behavior or has a multitude of
> concerning behaviors.
>
> Thanks in advance for your thoughtful and constructive consideration.
>
> Kathleen
>
>
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