Heikki Toivonen wrote:
>
> On the principle, but perhaps we want different things present by default.
>   
Well, obviously, if a green address bar is enough default information
for you, than we disagree...
>
> I am not against having optional features that show additional
> information on mouse over. I think "Authenticated by" is optional, and
> means nothing to most users.
>   
Exactly, it means nothing!

> It's not my proposal, and has in fact been discussed by people for
> years. The basic idea is that if you go to a site and there is an SSL
> error (expired cert, wrong host error, whatever), instead of a dialog
> box with an OK button you are treated with an error page. There is no
> way to click OK. You can simply not get to the site. This takes the
> likely uninformed user out of the picture.
>   
I think this should be considered!
>
> Now, what is there to help me make a decision about the trustworthiness
> of the site, and the possibility of getting law enforcement involved if
> I feel wronged? Just to list some things I could do: check how
> professional the site looks, look at whois information, search for
> opinions from other shoppers, and so on. For new sites there won't be
> much available.
>   
Which is not what a casual user would do anyway....none of this!
> Then there's the certificate. 
Yes? How should the casual user know ANYTHING about the certificate?
> But with today's domain validation only
> certificates that is not much help. 
If you would know, that it's domain validated, than you would KNOW much
more! Or for that matter, any other type of verification performed - and
you'd know about it - would help!
> If they were using EV certificate, I
> would be more confident that they are a real company at least, and I
> could get their real contact information in case of problems.
>
>   
Sure, but since you are a casual user (just pretending for a minute) you
would know NOTHING, except that the address bar is green....WOW...


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