On Monday 12 October 2009 16:29:23 Daniel Veditz wrote:
> On 10/12/09 3:13 AM, Rob Stradling wrote:
> > Perhaps the time has come for the browsers to "force" all of the other
> > CAs to take their OCSP responsibility seriously, by requiring OCSP by
> > default.
>
> Firefox cannot take that step unilaterally, otherwise _we_ are the
> broken one in users eyes.

Indeed.

> An alternate approach I'd like to lobby our front-end guys on would be
> to put up a scary red bar when we can't validate OCSP. Users can still
> get to their sites so they won't ditch us for another browser, site
> owners are still getting traffic so they won't be breathing down _our_
> neck (too much), but the site will look a little scary and link to an
> explanation so site owners can take the issue up with their CA and users
> have the opportunity to decide not to submit sensitive data over the
> connection.

I think that your suggestion strikes a good balance between security and 
useability.

Currently PSM's "When an OCSP server connection fails, treat the certificate 
as invalid" checkbox option can be i) checked, for a hard failure on any OCSP 
protocol error, or ii) unchecked, to ignore all OCSP protocol errors.
I suggest retaining both of these options as well as adding your new one, 
which I suppose would mean changing the current checkbox into 3 radio 
buttons...

"When an OCSP server connection fails:
  o   ignore the problem
  o   show a warning  (the new default)
  o   treat the certificate as invalid"

> In the longer term we're working with browser vendors and CAs to make
> OCSP support an understood requirement so that at some point in the
> future we can block connections when we don't get a positive OCSP
> response.  (We do, of course, block connections when we get an explicit
> OCSP revocation.)
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