> On Dec 23, 2015, at 4:55 PM, Andy Taylor <[email protected]> wrote: > I Guess it depends on what they mean by enabled. If the user has to > explicitly install it then to me it's optional. Saying that if it's > installed by default on the OS you could argue the opposite.
The issue with the is that the user may not even know if they have it installed or not. For example, on my two gentoo linux boxes, one has it installed and one doesn’t. I have no idea why the one that has it installed has it. With the package management and such, something I installed there some time in the past must have caused it to install. (likely mysql) > We could change the cli to prompt for a choice at create time. That would certainly work. Dan > On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 21:41 Daniel Kulp <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >>> On Dec 23, 2015, at 4:07 PM, John D. Ament <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> Are you referring to the bin or src distribution? >> >> Kind of both… >> >> By removing the binary from the src distribution, that covers that case. >> The user would have to cd into the appropriate directory and explicitly >> run the “make” or whatever to build the binary. It’s an explicit choice >> they make. Thus, I’m completely OK with that now. >> >> >> The bin distribution is still an issue. If the default was to not use >> the libaio at all unless the user either edited a config file to enable it >> or pass a command line flag or similar to take explicit action, I’d be OK >> there as well. The new wording on the legal pages is completely >> confusing. The original suggested wording in: >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-54 >> makes so much more sense: >> >> "However, projects may use LGPL licensed works in optional features that >> are not enabled by default.” >> >> >> Dan >> >> >> >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 4:05 PM Daniel Kulp <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Question: If I grab Artemis 1.1.0 tarbal/zip and start up the broker >> “out >>>> of the box”, does it use libaio or not? If I specifically have to >>>> configure something (pass a flag, edit a config file, etc…) to enable >> use >>>> if the LGPL library, then fine. However, if it’s something that >> occurs >>>> completely automatically without the user even knowing that it’s >> occurring, >>>> then I have a major problem with it. It needs to be something that the >>>> user has to explicitly CHOOSE to use. >>>> >>>> Dan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Dec 23, 2015, at 2:02 PM, Clebert Suconic < >> [email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> also, there has also been questions about it during the donation >>>>> process.. licenses reviewed.. etc.. so I don't think we need to open a >>>>> new discussions over this. the binary inclusion on the source was >>>>> something that was fixed now. >>>>> >>>>> The dependency on libaio on the C code is through through dynamic >>>>> linked library, and is the same as any C code depending on libc or >>>>> gcc. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Clebert Suconic >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 1:55 PM, John D. Ament <[email protected] >>> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Just wondering, does anyone plan to raise the LGPL question w/ legal >>>>>>> discuss? If we're waiting for the new year to do the next release, >>>> would >>>>>>> be good to at least start the discussion. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> We had such discussion long ago with legal. I couldn't find that email >>>>>> on my inbox but we specifically asked questions about it. We were ok >>>>>> as I remember. Maybe someone else (Martyn?) will have it on their >>>>>> inboxes. For that reason I don't want to go over the same issue we had >>>>>> asked before. >>>>>> >>>>>> The use of libaio is optional anyways and the system works as >>>>>> expected. what also covers other questions we had here on this thread. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Clebert Suconic >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Daniel Kulp >>>> [email protected] - http://dankulp.com/blog >>>> Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com >>>> >>>> >> >> -- >> Daniel Kulp >> [email protected] - http://dankulp.com/blog >> Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com >> >> -- Daniel Kulp [email protected] - http://dankulp.com/blog Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com
