I've went ahead and populated the repository, there's a GitHub mirror here[1]. I've also generated the static content and should have the work in progress hosted under a separately directory and a message on the homepage shortly.
Cheers 1. https://github.com/apache/activemq-website On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 8:54 PM Bruce Snyder <[email protected]> wrote: > +1 > > Bruce > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 2:26 PM Clebert Suconic <[email protected] > > > wrote: > > > What about this. WE could : > > > > - commit this on git > > - upload a snapshot for review under our web-site. > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 8:46 AM Clebert Suconic > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > +1000. We had that options discussed here a few times. Having the old > > website somewhere with a link is the way to go for the migration. > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 7:47 AM michael.andre.pearce < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > >> Sounds good to me. > > >> > > >> > > >> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > >> -------- Original message --------From: Martyn Taylor < > > [email protected]> Date: 22/10/2018 12:38 (GMT+00:00) To: > > [email protected] Subject: Re: Website > > >> How about an equivalent message on the home page of the new website, > > >> directing users to the old site? > > >> > > >> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 10:39 PM Bruce Snyder <[email protected] > > > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> > Check out the Camel website and the message that they posted about > > their > > >> > website changes that are underway: > > >> > > > >> > https://camel.apache.org/ > > >> > > > >> > Bruce > > >> > > > >> > On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 3:30 AM Martyn Taylor <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 8:38 PM Bruce Snyder < > > [email protected]> > > >> > > wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > > Fair points, Martyn. I like the idea of a combination of JIRA > > issues > > >> > > plus a > > >> > > > list of those issues that is easily visible somewhere such as > the > > wiki. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Seeing as how we are moving the website around completely, I > > believe we > > >> > > > need to include the docs to support the older versions in some > > way. So, > > >> > > the > > >> > > > first thought that came to mind is a search capability in order > > for > > >> > users > > >> > > > to find them easier. Another idea, we could also keep the old > site > > >> > intact > > >> > > > and available as a sub-domain or URL, e.g., > > 5x.activemq.apache.org, > > >> > > > activemq.apache.org/5.x, etc. However, the advantage of a > search > > >> > feature > > >> > > > is > > >> > > > that it would be useful across the site, not just for older > > stuff. We > > >> > > might > > >> > > > even be able structure the search to allow users to select a > > version of > > >> > > the > > >> > > > docs that they would like to search. Anyway, just some thoughts. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > I agree that we should try to get the new site functional ASAP, > > but > > >> > that > > >> > > > should not eliminate the old site entirely. We should not > abandon > > users > > >> > > of > > >> > > > older versions. > > >> > > > > > >> > > +1 Bruce. > > >> > > > > >> > > I had thought that the export of the current site into the gitbook > > had > > >> > all > > >> > > the info, but perhaps there are missing pieces. I like the idea > of > > >> > keeping > > >> > > the old site running and link to it from the new site. This > ensures > > >> > > existing users have all the info they need, but let's us move > > forward > > >> > with > > >> > > new content. Perhaps we can switch out the exiting home page for > > the new > > >> > > one and add a link to old website AMQ project page ("Existing > users > > >> > looking > > >> > > for the original ActiveMQ website click here."). If we are able > to > > get > > >> > > some stats on number of accesses to a particular page, we can use > > that > > >> > info > > >> > > to prioritise porting older content. > > >> > > > > >> > > Search, feature also a good idea, but I'm not sure how much effort > > would > > >> > be > > >> > > involved, there is already a search feature in the gitbook > document > > >> > (linked > > >> > > to on the project page). > > >> > > > > >> > > How about we fill in the existing placeholder content and add > links > > to > > >> > the > > >> > > old sites from each project page (and the home page)? We could go > > live > > >> > > with this? Then start working through the nice to > > haves/criticals. I > > >> > > think once we're live and the code is available, the community > will > > be > > >> > more > > >> > > inclined to report/fixing issues. > > >> > > > > >> > > Cheers > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Bruce > > >> > > > > > >> > > > On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 2:44 AM Martyn Taylor < > [email protected] > > > > > >> > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Cheers gents, looks like we're all set with the git repos. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Shall we start putting together a ToDo list for what needs to > > happen > > >> > to > > >> > > > > move to the new site? JIRA perhaps? > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Bruce you mentioned a search feature for older content. Can > you > > >> > > > elaborate > > >> > > > > on this. Also, there's the actual content for the pages, key > > >> > features, > > >> > > > > users etc... Perhaps we can all contribute to these? I could > > take > > >> > care > > >> > > > of > > >> > > > > the Artemis side of things, if people with more experience in > > NMS, > > >> > CMS > > >> > > > and > > >> > > > > 5.x could come up with some content for the project home > pages? > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > I agree with Michael in that it'd be good to get the new site > > running > > >> > > > even > > >> > > > > if it's not 100% perfect then iteratively improve on it. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Cheers > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 12:56 AM Clebert Suconic < > > >> > > > > [email protected]> > > >> > > > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > How to delete one now ? > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 6:55 PM Bruce Snyder < > > >> > [email protected]> > > >> > > > > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Whoops, I just created one as well: > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf?p=activemq-website.git > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bruce > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 8:49 AM Clebert Suconic < > > >> > > > > > [email protected]> > > >> > > > > > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > New repo created: > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf?p=activemq-www.git > > >> > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 10:47 AM Clebert Suconic > > >> > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Robbie Gemmel pointed me to > https://gitbox.apache.org/ > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I'm trying to create one now: > > >> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 10:36 AM Clebert Suconic > > >> > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > That's for Bruce Snyder then... > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 10:29 AM Justin Bertram < > > >> > > > > > [email protected]> > > >> > > > > > > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > There's a "Create a new Git repository" option on > > >> > > > > > > > > > > https://selfserve.apache.org/. I clicked it and > > logged > > >> > > in, > > >> > > > > but > > >> > > > > > > > apparently > > >> > > > > > > > > > > it's restricted to ASF members and PMC chairs. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Justin > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 9:24 AM Clebert Suconic < > > >> > > > > > > > [email protected]> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I create an Infra JIRA for this: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-17124 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 9:49 AM Clebert Suconic > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I asked infra and no reponse. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone know any procedure on creating a > > repo at > > >> > > > > apache? > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I did ask infra about something what to do.. > > but so > > >> > far > > >> > > > no > > >> > > > > > > > response. I > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > know they are busy.. so if anyone here knows a > > better > > >> > > way > > >> > > > > to > > >> > > > > > > > handle > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > this.... > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 9:14 AM Clebert Suconic > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just initiated a thread at apache infra > > list, > > >> > > asking > > >> > > > > for > > >> > > > > > > > guidance on > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > how to setup things. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > will keep it posted here. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 9:01 AM Christopher > > Shannon > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for getting the website discussion > > >> > > > restarted. I > > >> > > > > > > > think it > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > will be > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite beneficial if we can get the new > > website > > >> > live > > >> > > > and > > >> > > > > > > have > > >> > > > > > > > more > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information on there such as what Artemis > > is, > > >> > etc. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 9:13 AM Clebert > > Suconic < > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will handle it next week. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 5:09 PM Bruce > > Snyder < > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Clebert, > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would be very helpful if you could > > create > > >> > a > > >> > > > git > > >> > > > > > repo > > >> > > > > > > > for it > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > and get > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > source code moved into there. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bruce > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 7:58 AM Clebert > > >> > Suconic > > >> > > < > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Bruce: Anything I can do to expedie > > this? > > >> > or > > >> > > > you > > >> > > > > > are > > >> > > > > > > > taking > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > care of > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the private repo? > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 1:52 AM > > >> > > > > michael.andre.pearce > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected] > .invalid> > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you noted because its using > > jekyll i > > >> > > could > > >> > > > > use > > >> > > > > > > > github > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > pages. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One option is you could host it on > > asf > > >> > git, > > >> > > > > have > > >> > > > > > > the > > >> > > > > > > > github > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > clone > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we do with code and then use github > > pages, > > >> > > > simply > > >> > > > > > > > asking infra > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > to have > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub domain point to the github > pages. > > Not > > >> > > sure > > >> > > > if > > >> > > > > > > thats > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > allowed or not, > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it is probably easiest. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy > > smartphone. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- Original message > > --------From: > > >> > > Bruce > > >> > > > > > > Snyder > > >> > > > > > > > < > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> Date: > > 02/10/2018 > > >> > > > 21:11 > > >> > > > > > > > (GMT+00:00) > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected] Subject: > Re: > > >> > Website > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great job, MIchael! I like the > look > > of > > >> > this > > >> > > > > site. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's certainly work to be done > > as you > > >> > > > > > mentioned, > > >> > > > > > > > so I > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > don't think > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take the place of the current site > > 100% > > >> > > just > > >> > > > > > yet. I > > >> > > > > > > > agree > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > that it > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to be perfect, but we need to > > >> > provide > > >> > > an > > >> > > > > > easy > > >> > > > > > > > way to > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > find the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information we know exists via > > search > > >> > > > > > functionality > > >> > > > > > > > or > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > something. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first action should be to move > > the > > >> > > source > > >> > > > > > into > > >> > > > > > > > an ASF > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > git repo so > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everyone has access to it, > allowing > > >> > others > > >> > > to > > >> > > > > > > > contribute. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > This will > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allow > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > us to deploy straight from the git > > repo > > >> > at > > >> > > > some > > >> > > > > > > > point, too. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone recently investigated > > how to > > >> > > > deploy > > >> > > > > a > > >> > > > > > > > static > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > website from > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > git > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repo to the sub-domain at the ASF? > > If > > >> > not, > > >> > > I > > >> > > > > will > > >> > > > > > > > dig into > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > it. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bruce > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 8:40 AM > > >> > > > > > michael.andre.pearce > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected] > > .invalid> > > >> > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just wanted to get the ball > > rolling > > >> > > again > > >> > > > > on > > >> > > > > > > this > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > discussion, > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we've > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > made > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some great progress made on the > > initial > > >> > > > code > > >> > > > > > base > > >> > > > > > > > we > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > started a > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back, > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we've created a responsive > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design based on bootstrap which > > looks > > >> > > > pretty > > >> > > > > > > nice > > >> > > > > > > > on both > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > mobile > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > desktop, bringing us into 2018 > > ;). All > > >> > > the > > >> > > > > > > > content was > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > exported > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > current site by Bruce already, > > and now > > >> > > > lives > > >> > > > > > > under > > >> > > > > > > > the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > documentation > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > link > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the ActiveMQ 5 project page. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's obviously still some > work > > to do > > >> > > > but I > > >> > > > > > > > wanted to > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > send now to > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some early feedback and > hopefully > > get > > >> > > some > > >> > > > > > input > > >> > > > > > > on > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > content for the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > home > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pages for each project. What > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do need to have happen to make > > this > > >> > > live. > > >> > > > > I'd > > >> > > > > > > > prefer not > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > to spend > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trying to get this perfect, but > > if we > > >> > > could > > >> > > > > get > > >> > > > > > > an > > >> > > > > > > > MVP for > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > website > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > live > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and kicking, we can improve it > > >> > > iteratively > > >> > > > > over > > >> > > > > > > > time. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd love to here your thoughts, > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The code is here: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 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