There's two things I don't like: 1 the name, and that two it's more work than 
we are needed for (to what I can see) no gain. Making everything an implicit 
package touches 776 files, when 1 is all that is needed.

To make airflow.providers an implicit namepsace package we need to remove a 
single file. Doing just that mypy doesn't complain about anything. From a few 
quick spot tests they still pass too.
There is nothing to think about again as everywhere else we follow the normal 
python convention of having an __init__.py
-ash
On Feb 5 2020, at 10:48 am, Jarek Potiuk <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hey Ash,
>
> What do you think is the downside of changing all the packages to implicit
> Except the -6000 or so useless comments in empty __init__.py ?
>
> J.
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 11:34 AM Ash Berlin-Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:
> > And to be clear: I'd rather we didn't make everything an implicit
> > namespace package, but only the "official" extension points of
> > airflow.providers. I cant immediately think of a reason to make anything
> > else a namespace package, and limiting this to a single place makes the
> > change smaller (tiny even?) and also easier to reason about where modules
> > might be coming from.
> >
> > What have I not thought about?
> > On Feb 5 2020, at 10:31 am, Ash Berlin-Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Are you talking about/test with making _ALL_ packages implicit
> >
> > namespaces?
> > >
> > > I would think that we would only make airflow.providers an implicit
> > package, but leave all the sub packages as explicit packages: i.e. this:
> > > airflow/__init__.py
> > > airflow/utils/__init__.py
> > > airflow/providers/ (no __init__.py)
> > > airflow/providers/google/__init__.py
> > >
> > > Does limiting the implicit namespace to just airflow.providers address
> > 1+2+3?
> > > -a
> > > On Feb 5 2020, at 10:27 am, Jarek Potiuk <[email protected]>
> >
> > wrote:
> > > > TL;DR; I am asking for opinions on some of the changes required to
> > >
> >
> > introduce implicit native package support. This is the easiest way to make
> > backports of master providers packages to 1.10.x.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > NOTE!: @Ash Berlin-Taylor (mailto:[email protected]) @Fokko Driesprong
> > (mailto:[email protected]) @Felix Uellendall (mailto:[email protected])
> > @Kamil Breguła (mailto:[email protected]) @Kaxil Naik (mailto:
> > [email protected]) @[email protected] (mailto:
> > [email protected]) @Philippe Gagnon (mailto:
> > [email protected]) - there is one point 1a) below that I would like
> > to get your input.
> > > >
> > > > As AIP-21 (import paths) import path move is done we have an important
> > step to complete - we should switch to implicit "native" packages. It boils
> > down to removal of empty (only with comment licences) __init__.py files and
> > relying on python 3.3+ capability of finding packages without having to add
> > __init_.py files. This is needed in order to get backported packaged to be
> > prepared for 1.10.* series. I worked on it during the last few days - to
> > make sure this can be done and I am close to have it. Close enough to know
> > I can solve all the remaining problems. I wanted to check that we can do it
> > for almost all the packages. I already solved most of the initial problems
> > but I have some places where I think I need community opinion on the way we
> > should solve them:
> > > >
> > > > The PR that has the changes is here:
> > https://github.com/apache/airflow/pull/7279/files - it's not 100% ready
> > yet and I want to split it into a few separate PRs so do not comment it
> > there yet - I extracted the most important changes here and wanted to ask
> > your opinion where I have doubts:
> > > >
> > > > 1) Module names identical to some top-level package names (for example
> > email.py):
> > > >
> > > > Some of the module names (for example email.py) has to be changed. The
> > problem with implicit packages is that if local module is named the same as
> > the top level package, importing the top-level package from it does not
> > work:
> > > >
> > > > email.py:
> > > > ...
> > > > import email <- this won't work - module imports itself.
> > > >
> > > > For now in my PR i renamed the modules to be airflow_<old_name>.py or
> > > > <old_name>_utils.py : There are such modules (mostly hooks):
> > > > email -> email_utils, (utils)
> > > >
> > > > cassandra -> airflow_cassandra
> > > > cloudant -> airflow_cloudant
> > > > dataproc -> airflow_dataproc
> > > > grpc -> airlfow_grpc
> > > > hdfs -> airflow_hdfs
> > > > jira -> airflow_jira
> > > > kerberos -> kerberos_security
> > > > redis -> airflow_redis
> > > > sendgrid -> airflow_sendgrid
> > > > snowflake -> airflow_snowflake
> > > > winrm -> airflow_winrm (operator)
> > > > datadog -> airflow_datatog(sensor)
> > > > sqlalchemy -> sqlalchemy_utils (utils)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I can also change it to grpc_hooks.py, datadog_sensors.py etc. Or
> > maybe someone knows an easy way how to keep the module name and implicit
> > packages?
> > > >
> > > > I guess this is not a big problem to change it this way - we anyhow
> > have changed import paths for those. The only two problems with this are:
> > > > a) email was used in "email_backend" configuration : email_backend =
> > >
> >
> > airflow.utils.email.send_email_smtp
> > > > but we can solve it by handling that as special case, raising
> > >
> >
> > deprecation warning and converting it to
> > airflow.utils.email_utils.send_email_smtp
> > > > b) we introduce slight inconsistency in hook/operator/sensor names.
> > > >
> > > > 2) Mypy fails when checking individual (duplicated) module names
> > > > Mypy does not work well with duplicate module names in implicit
> > packages (https://github.com/pre-commit/mirrors-mypy/issues/5) and with
> > AIP-21 we have plenty of them. Repeating modules (http.py in both operators
> > and hooks for example) cause it to fail in case they are provided as
> > parameters (in case of incremental mypy check in pre-commits. I had to
> > change it then so that mypy always check 'airflow' and 'test' packages
> > instead - which makes pre-commit check slightly slower (few seconds).
> > > >
> > > > 3) _hooks.py/_operators.py/_sensors.py (
> > http://hooks.py/_operators.py/_sensors.py) suffix: Some thought resulting
> > from above 1) and 2):
> > > >
> > > > I did not want to open pandora's box again but I think removal of
> > _hooks, _operators, _sensors from the module name might not have been the
> > best decision. While it removes some duplication in module name, it
> > actually introduces duplicate module names and (as it is with mypy) it
> > might be a problem in the future. I think now we should change it back to
> > add the suffixes. If we want to reverse it - this is the last moment we can
> > do it (and we still can easily). I would love some quick opinion/voting for
> > that - especially those who voted in AIP-21 but others are welcome as well:
> > @Ash Berlin-Taylor (mailto:[email protected]) @Fokko Driesprong (mailto:
> > [email protected]) @Felix Uellendall (mailto:[email protected]) @Kamil
> > Breguła (mailto:[email protected]) @Kaxil Naik (mailto:
> > [email protected]) @[email protected] (mailto:
> > [email protected]) @Philippe Gagnon (mailto:
> > [email protected]) - this was "Case 2" in the original AIP-21
> > proposal.
> > > >
> > > > WDYT?
> > > > 4) Test module names:
> > > > I had to change all test module name for providers. For example: .
> > Pytest does not like repeating implicit test module names. It throws error
> > "duplicate test module). For example:
> > > > tests/providers/http/hooks/test_http.py →
> > >
> >
> > tests/providers/http/hooks/test_http_hooks.py (
> > https://github.com/apache/airflow/pull/7279/files#diff-593e762ce1d79c250426a27b6fb28908
> > )
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > (basically I added hooks/operators/sensors everywhere). It is easy and
> > fully automated and it has no impact at all on the main code base, so I
> > think this is a super-safe change. t The nice thing is that it makes it
> > easier to understand what kind of tests you are looking at immediately and.
> > That also hints that maybe _hooks.py, _operators.py, _sensors.py in
> > hooks/operators/sensors could have been a better choice (see 2 a) )
> > > >
> > > > 5) Doc generation
> > > > Autoapi doc generation has not yet released implicit package support
> > (it is in master only). However I managed to monkey-patch 1.2.1 (latest)
> > version to add support by cherry-picking the changes (there are literally
> > few methods changed there -
> > https://github.com/readthedocs/sphinx-autoapi/pull/178) and when new
> > version is released we will be able to get rid of monkey-patching . I am
> > still resolving a few import issues in that newest version but I am
> > confident I can fix or workaround all issues with it.
> > > > I don't expect this to be a problem - it is only in the doc generation
> > >
> >
> > code, not the main application code.
> > > >
> > > > I verified that pytest test discovery works fine, and that airflow can
> > be installed and works with implicit packages. Let me know what you think
> > about it and I would love to merge it as soon as possible (rebasing this
> > for a long time might be painful).
> > > >
> > > > J.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 9:22 AM Jarek Potiuk <[email protected]
> > (mailto:[email protected])> wrote:
> > > > > I've read a bit more about PEP-0420 so some more extracted
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > information:
> > > > >
> > > > > - implicit namespace packages are very similar to regular packages.
> > The notable difference is that they can be loaded from several directories
> > (so you can have modules in the same package but coming from different
> > physical directories), so no __file__ is defined for the package (it is
> > still defined for modules),
> > > > >
> > > > > - pytest should have no problems. It has indeed (
> > https://stackoverflow.com/questions/50174130/how-do-i-pytest-a-project-using-pep-420-namespace-packages)
> > problems with implicit packages when tests are co-located with their tested
> > modules (module.py, module_test.py) but we are not in this situation.
> > > > >
> > > > > - I do not see how it could be slower - I have not found any
> > benchmarking yet (but I have not found any complaints about it either). I
> > looked at the loading algorithm for PEP-420 - it traverses all the
> > directory structure available on the PYTHONPATH bo so does the "standard"
> > mechanism. And we would not have to parse and load all the 140 licence-only
> > __init__.py. The presence of module in the package is based on the presence
> > of "<module>.py" in the right folder. If we would have several packages
> > elsewhere that might become a bit slower, but I think reading files is so
> > much slower than scanning directories that - if anything - we will be
> > faster (just opening and closing those __init__.files will take quite some
> > time :). We can do some benchmarking before and after to be sure.
> > > > >
> > > > > Side comment: I am not 100% sure, but after reading PEP-420
> > intuition tells me that maybe implicit packages can help in solving
> > relative imports problems that some of our user raised . I saw recently
> > several users had problems with relative imports used in DAGs. We are
> > loading the DAGs in a specific way and in implicit packages, the __repr__
> > of modules parent is dynamic - based on the location of the file rather
> > than based on the module of the file, so it's likely if we encourage dag
> > developers also to use implicit packages, it might actually solve the
> > relative imports case.
> > > > >
> > > > > J.
> > > > > On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 4:29 PM Daniel Imberman <
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > [email protected] (mailto:[email protected])> wrote:
> > > > > > Fine by me if it doesn’t break anything. I’m always on the side of
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > less code :).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > via Newton Mail [
> > https://cloudmagic.com/k/d/mailapp?ct=dx&cv=10.0.32&pv=10.14.5&source=email_footer_2
> > ]
> > > > > > On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 8:12 AM, Ash Berlin-Taylor <[email protected]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > (mailto:[email protected])> wrote:
> > > > > > Probably worth it, but things to check:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - if nose or pytest needs them under tests/ to find all the tests
> > > > > > - if not having the init files slows down pythons package importer
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > as it searches more paths?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -a
> > > > > > > On 22 Nov 2019, at 12:06, Jarek Potiuk <[email protected]
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > (mailto:[email protected])> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There is one implementation detail in AIP-21 that I continue to
> > have
> > > > > > > questions about, and I wanted to ask community about it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Since we moved to Python 3, we have the option of using implicit
> > namespace
> > > > > > > packages.
> > > > > > > https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0420/ . We have now
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > grouping per folder
> > > > > > > for services, so it would require a lot more __init__.py files
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > if we
> > > > > > > continue using them.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The implicit naming boils down to not requiring __init__.py
> > files if no
> > > > > > > initialisation of package is needed. We could do it consistently
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > for all
> > > > > > > code which is "internal" to airflow. This means that most
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > packages will not
> > > > > > > have __init__.py there will be few exceptions like 'airflow',
> > > > > > > 'airflow.modules' and likely few others with the __init__.py.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I did a quick check and we have only 25 _init_.py with some
> > logic -
> > > > > > > remaining ~ 140 could be removed as they only contain comments.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > find . -name '__init__.py' | xargs grep -le '^[^#].*' | wc -l
> > > > > > > 25
> > > > > > > find . -name '__init__.py' |wc -l
> > > > > > > 164
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Those are the files that will be left:
> > > > > > > ./tests/__init__.py
> > > > > > > ./tests/utils/log/elasticmock/__init__.py
> > > > > > > ./tests/utils/log/elasticmock/utilities/__init__.py
> > > > > > > ./tests/models/__init__.py
> > > > > > > ./tests/task/__init__.py
> > > > > > > ./airflow/sensors/__init__.py
> > > > > > > ./airflow/operators/__init__.py
> > > > > > > ./airflow/_vendor/nvd3/__init__.py
> > > > > > > ./airflow/_vendor/slugify/__init__.py
> > > > > > > ./airflow/serialization/__init__.py
> > > > > > > ./airflow/__init__.py
> > > > > > > ./airflow/models/__init__.py
> > > > > > >
> > ./airflow/www/node_modules/npm/node_modules/node-gyp/gyp/pylib/gyp/__init__.py
> > > > > > > ./airflow/ti_deps/deps/__init__.py
> > > > > > > ./airflow/macros/__init__.py
> > > > > > > ./airflow/executors/__init__.py
> > > > > > > ./airflow/lineage/__init__.py
> > > > > > > ./airflow/lineage/backend/__init__.py
> > > > > > > ./airflow/lineage/backend/atlas/__init__.py
> > > > > > > ./airflow/hooks/__init__.py
> > > > > > > ./airflow/task/task_runner/__init__.py
> > > > > > > ./airflow/api/__init__.py
> > > > > > > ./airflow/api/common/experimental/__init__.py
> > > > > > > ./airflow/api/client/__init__.py
> > > > > > > ./airflow/jobs/__init__.py
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > WDYT?
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