7 is more comfortable for me than 5. Aaron
On Mon, Sep 21, 2026 at 1:19 PM Sameer Mesiah <[email protected]> wrote: > Okay. Looking at the statistics again, I think 7 is not too bad. So I am > not as against this policy as before. As a contributor, the more intense > periods have a greater weight in your memory than the more quiet stretches. > > Could you confirm if this will affect draft PRs? And of course, a closed PR > can be reopened once a new 'slot' is free? > > On Mon, 21 Sept 2026 at 21:13, Jarek Potiuk <[email protected]> wrote: > > > My take: 7 is about right :) > > > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2026 at 10:10 PM Jarek Potiuk <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Happy to provide more datapoints. It's sooooooo easy with AI nowadays - > > > here are your weekly stats for last year. > > > > > > > > > > > > ┌────────────────────┬──────┬───────────────────────┬────────────────────┬──────┬──────────────────┐ > > > │ Week │ Open │ │ Week > > │ > > > Open │ │ > > > > > > > > > ├────────────────────┼──────┼───────────────────────┼────────────────────┼──────┼──────────────────┤ > > > │ 2025-09-29 → 11-24 │ 0 │ (no PRs yet) │ 2026-03-23 > > │ > > > 10 │ ▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇ +4 −0 │ > > > > > > > > > ├────────────────────┼──────┼───────────────────────┼────────────────────┼──────┼──────────────────┤ > > > │ 2025-12-01 │ 1 │ ▇ +1 │ 2026-03-30 > > │ > > > 10 │ ▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇ +2 −2 │ > > > > > > > > > ├────────────────────┼──────┼───────────────────────┼────────────────────┼──────┼──────────────────┤ > > > │ 2025-12-08 │ 1 │ ▇ +1 −1 │ 2026-04-06 > > │ > > > 10 │ ▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇ +2 −2 │ > > > > > > > > > ├────────────────────┼──────┼───────────────────────┼────────────────────┼──────┼──────────────────┤ > > > │ 2025-12-15 │ 0 │ −1 │ 2026-04-13 > > │ > > > 9 │ ▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇ −1 │ > > > > > > > > > ├────────────────────┼──────┼───────────────────────┼────────────────────┼──────┼──────────────────┤ > > > │ 2025-12-22 │ 1 │ ▇ +2 −1 │ 2026-04-20 > > │ > > > 8 │ ▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇ −1 │ > > > > > > > > > ├────────────────────┼──────┼───────────────────────┼────────────────────┼──────┼──────────────────┤ > > > │ 2025-12-29 │ 2 │ ▇▇ +1 │ 2026-04-27 > > │ > > > 7 │ ▇▇▇▇▇▇▇ −1 │ > > > > > > > > > ├────────────────────┼──────┼───────────────────────┼────────────────────┼──────┼──────────────────┤ > > > │ 2026-01-05 │ 3 │ ▇▇▇ +1 │ 2026-05-04 > > │ > > > 6 │ ▇▇▇▇▇▇ +2 −3 │ > > > > > > > > > ├────────────────────┼──────┼───────────────────────┼────────────────────┼──────┼──────────────────┤ > > > │ 2026-01-12 │ 2 │ ▇▇ −1 │ 2026-05-11 > > │ > > > 7 │ ▇▇▇▇▇▇▇ +4 −3 │ > > > > > > > > > ├────────────────────┼──────┼───────────────────────┼────────────────────┼──────┼──────────────────┤ > > > │ 2026-01-19 │ 4 │ ▇▇▇▇ +2 │ 2026-05-18 > > │ > > > 8 │ ▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇ +3 −2 │ > > > > > > > > > ├────────────────────┼──────┼───────────────────────┼────────────────────┼──────┼──────────────────┤ > > > │ 2026-01-26 │ 4 │ ▇▇▇▇ +3 −3 │ 2026-05-25 > > │ > > > 7 │ ▇▇▇▇▇▇▇ +2 −3 │ > > > > > > > > > ├────────────────────┼──────┼───────────────────────┼────────────────────┼──────┼──────────────────┤ > > > │ 2026-02-02 │ 7 │ ▇▇▇▇▇▇▇ +4 −1 │ 2026-06-01 > > │ > > > 6 │ ▇▇▇▇▇▇ +2 −3 │ > > > > > > > > > ├────────────────────┼──────┼───────────────────────┼────────────────────┼──────┼──────────────────┤ > > > │ 2026-02-09 │ 8 │ ▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇ +3 −2 │ 2026-06-08 > > │ > > > 4 │ ▇▇▇▇ +1 −3 │ > > > > > > > > > ├────────────────────┼──────┼───────────────────────┼────────────────────┼──────┼──────────────────┤ > > > │ 2026-02-16 │ 8 │ ▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇ +5 −5 │ 2026-06-15 > > │ > > > 7 │ ▇▇▇▇▇▇▇ +5 −2 │ > > > > > > > > > ├────────────────────┼──────┼───────────────────────┼────────────────────┼──────┼──────────────────┤ > > > │ 2026-02-23 │ 10 │ ▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇ +2 │ 2026-06-22 > > │ > > > 9 │ ▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇ +3 −1 │ > > > > > > > > > ├────────────────────┼──────┼───────────────────────┼────────────────────┼──────┼──────────────────┤ > > > │ 2026-03-02 │ 15 │ ▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇ +7 −2 │ 2026-06-29 > > │ > > > 10 │ ▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇ +4 −3 │ > > > > > > > > > ├────────────────────┼──────┼───────────────────────┼────────────────────┼──────┼──────────────────┤ > > > │ 2026-03-09 │ 13 │ ▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇ +3 −5 │ 2026-07-06 > > │ > > > 6 │ ▇▇▇▇▇▇ +1 −5 │ > > > > > > > > > ├────────────────────┼──────┼───────────────────────┼────────────────────┼──────┼──────────────────┤ > > > │ 2026-03-16 │ 6 │ ▇▇▇▇▇▇ +4 −11 │ 2026-07-13 → > 07-20 > > │ > > > 6 │ ▇▇▇▇▇▇ │ > > > > > > > > > ├────────────────────┼──────┼───────────────────────┼────────────────────┼──────┼──────────────────┤ > > > │ │ │ │ 2026-07-27 > > │ > > > 3 │ ▇▇▇ +1 −4 │ > > > > > > > > > ├────────────────────┼──────┼───────────────────────┼────────────────────┼──────┼──────────────────┤ > > > │ │ │ │ 2026-08-03 → > 08-10 > > │ > > > 5 │ ▇▇▇▇▇ │ > > > > > > > > > ├────────────────────┼──────┼───────────────────────┼────────────────────┼──────┼──────────────────┤ > > > │ │ │ │ 2026-08-17 > > │ > > > 4 │ ▇▇▇▇ −2 │ > > > > > > > > > ├────────────────────┼──────┼───────────────────────┼────────────────────┼──────┼──────────────────┤ > > > │ │ │ │ 2026-08-24 > > │ > > > 6 │ ▇▇▇▇▇▇ +2 │ > > > > > > > > > ├────────────────────┼──────┼───────────────────────┼────────────────────┼──────┼──────────────────┤ > > > │ │ │ │ 2026-08-31 > > │ > > > 7 │ ▇▇▇▇▇▇▇ +2 −1 │ > > > > > > > > > ├────────────────────┼──────┼───────────────────────┼────────────────────┼──────┼──────────────────┤ > > > │ │ │ │ 2026-09-07 > > │ > > > 9 │ ▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇ +3 −1 │ > > > > > > > > > ├────────────────────┼──────┼───────────────────────┼────────────────────┼──────┼──────────────────┤ > > > │ │ │ │ 2026-09-14 > > │ > > > 8 │ ▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇ −1 │ > > > > > > > > > ├────────────────────┼──────┼───────────────────────┼────────────────────┼──────┼──────────────────┤ > > > │ │ │ │ 2026-09-21 > > │ > > > 6 │ ▇▇▇▇▇▇ −2 │ > > > > > > > > > └────────────────────┴──────┴───────────────────────┴────────────────────┴──────┴──────────────────┘ > > > > > > Summary: first PR 2025-11-27, so the whole history is 43 weeks. 90 PRs > > > authored, 81 merged, 3 closed, 6 open now. Weekly average 6.4 open, > peak > > 15 > > > (week of 2026-03-02), and the queue drained hard the following > fortnight > > > (−11 in the week of 03-16, the largest single-week clearance). > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2026 at 9:42 PM Sameer Mesiah <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Jarek, > > >> > > >> Thank you for pulling up the statistics. It really helps us understand > > the > > >> situation better. But I think these point-in-time numbers can > sometimes > > >> mask the natural deviations in activity for most contributors. Since > you > > >> took me as an example of someone who would hardly be affected by this > > new > > >> policy, I think we need to look at the maximum number of PRs I had > open > > >> over my history of contributing. My memory is not 100% accurate of > > course > > >> but I recall having 15-20 open PRs at one point. And right around the > > time > > >> of the summit, I am fairly sure I had 10 open PRs (some in draft > though > > I > > >> am not sure if this policy applies to draft PRs) which then went down > > to 6 > > >> as the maintainers returned to start reviewing and merging my PRs > > again. I > > >> do not fault the maintainers of course as I understand the review > queue > > is > > >> going to deprioritised during that period due to intense summit > > >> preparations. > > >> > > >> I would say I’m opening fewer PRs nowadays (unfortunately other > > >> commitments just get in the way even when you really want to > contribute > > as > > >> a volunteer). So the 6 open PRs statistic might have caught me in a > low > > >> point. > > >> > > >> I do not wish to make this thread about myself but I suspect other > > >> contributors’ activity might have similar patterns. Periods where they > > >> have > > >> lots of open PRs and then periods where they only have a handful. You > > can > > >> clearly see this in the statistics of people in bucket A who you seem > to > > >> categorize as ‘good’ contributors. > > >> > > >> If you are insistent on this policy, I think a 10 PR limit might be a > > more > > >> reasonable middle ground. It will prevent bots and bad faith > > contributors > > >> from spamming 50 PRs but it won’t be excessively restrictive. > > >> > > >> On Mon, 21 Sep 2026 at 20:23, Jarek Potiuk <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > >> > Correction: Thursday the 24th at 7:00pm CEST. - which is 72 hrs from > > the > > >> > beginning of that thread, > > >> > > > >> > And one more comment: I thought for a long time about the metrics > > >> "Threads > > >> > vs. PRs". For me this is **embodiment** of community-aware, empathic > > >> > contributor - on the way to become a commmiter. And I **knew** - > > >> because I > > >> > checked it before - that practically **all** committers have a very > > high > > >> > number here. > > >> > > > >> > I deliberately never mentioned it in our discussions. As we all > know, > > >> > anything you set as a goal stops being a useful metric. There are > > always > > >> > ways to game the system. > > >> > > > >> > That's why I waited for quite a while to accumulate the data and > > showed > > >> > completely different numbers - and never discussed the thread vs. > PRs > > >> idea > > >> > - to ensure this particular metric remained totally unbiased. > > >> > And - just for the record - this is the last time this metric will > be > > >> > unbiased—now that we will publicly say we "care" about it. > > >> > > > >> > And here is Claude's analysis on those top-20. And my thinking is > that > > >> we > > >> > should care about the needs of groups in this way: A > B > C. > > >> > > > >> > ------------ > > >> > > > >> > Three buckets, all 24 (top-19 + the five-way tie at 6 open PRs) > > >> > > > >> > Bucket rule, stated up front so the borderline calls are visible: > > >> > engagement = others' threads per open PR (≥1.5 counts as engaged), > > >> quality > > >> > = all-time merge rate (≥40% healthy). I picked these thresholds to > > match > > >> > where the data actually clusters - there's a real gap between 1.7 > and > > >> 0.8 > > >> > on engagement, and between 40% and 31% on the merge rate. > > >> > > > >> > --- > > >> > > > >> > A. Net reviewers — they give back more than they ask for (9 people, > > 103 > > >> > open PRs) > > >> > > > >> > ┌─────────────────┬──────┬─────────────────┬─────────┬─────────┐ > > >> > │ Author │ Open │ Threads/open PR │ Reviews │ Merge % │ > > >> > ├─────────────────┼──────┼─────────────────┼─────────┼─────────┤ > > >> > │ SameerMesiah97 │ 6 │ 60.3 │ 350 │ 90% │ > > >> > ├─────────────────┼──────┼─────────────────┼─────────┼─────────┤ > > >> > │ shivaam │ 6 │ 13.0 │ 55 │ 67% │ > > >> > ├─────────────────┼──────┼─────────────────┼─────────┼─────────┤ > > >> > │ Vamsi-klu │ 10 │ 10.8 │ 58 │ 38% │ > > >> > ├─────────────────┼──────┼─────────────────┼─────────┼─────────┤ > > >> > │ Andrushika │ 9 │ 4.6 │ 33 │ 79% │ > > >> > ├─────────────────┼──────┼─────────────────┼─────────┼─────────┤ > > >> > │ yuseok89 │ 12 │ 3.8 │ 49 │ 77% │ > > >> > ├─────────────────┼──────┼─────────────────┼─────────┼─────────┤ > > >> > │ steveahnahn │ 14 │ 3.2 │ 40 │ 59% │ > > >> > ├─────────────────┼──────┼─────────────────┼─────────┼─────────┤ > > >> > │ ColtenOuO │ 23 │ 2.6 │ 70 │ 59% │ > > >> > ├─────────────────┼──────┼─────────────────┼─────────┼─────────┤ > > >> > │ stephen-bracken │ 6 │ 2.3 │ 16 │ 56% │ > > >> > ├─────────────────┼──────┼─────────────────┼─────────┼─────────┤ > > >> > │ fat-catTW │ 17 │ 1.7 │ 33 │ 50% │ > > >> > └─────────────────┴──────┴─────────────────┴─────────┴─────────┘ > > >> > > > >> > Vamsi-klu is the odd one: 108 threads and 58 reviews (bucket-A > > >> engagement) > > >> > on a 38% merge rate. Placed here because the review effort is > > >> unambiguous. > > >> > fat-catTW and stephen-bracken are the borderline entries - drop the > > >> > threshold to 2.0 and fat-catTW moves out. > > >> > > > >> > B. Shippers, not reviewers - volume with normal merge rates (6 > people, > > >> 115 > > >> > open PRs) > > >> > > > >> > ┌───────────────┬──────┬─────────────────┬─────────┬─────────┐ > > >> > │ Author │ Open │ Threads/open PR │ Reviews │ Merge % │ > > >> > ├───────────────┼──────┼─────────────────┼─────────┼─────────┤ > > >> > │ Eason09053360 │ 35 │ 0.3 │ 13 │ 52% │ > > >> > ├───────────────┼──────┼─────────────────┼─────────┼─────────┤ > > >> > │ 1fanwang │ 34 │ 0.8 │ 36 │ 40% │ > > >> > ├───────────────┼──────┼─────────────────┼─────────┼─────────┤ > > >> > │ rjgoyln │ 27 │ 0.7 │ 34 │ 53% │ > > >> > ├───────────────┼──────┼─────────────────┼─────────┼─────────┤ > > >> > │ Samin061 │ 7 │ 0.4 │ 4 │ 58% │ > > >> > ├───────────────┼──────┼─────────────────┼─────────┼─────────┤ > > >> > │ jeff3071 │ 6 │ 0.3 │ 7 │ 46% │ > > >> > ├───────────────┼──────┼─────────────────┼─────────┼─────────┤ > > >> > │ YAshhh29 │ 6 │ 0.2 │ 1 │ 45% │ > > >> > └───────────────┴──────┴─────────────────┴─────────┴─────────┘ > > >> > > > >> > The work lands—merge rates here are ordinary, some above > > >> committer-adjacent > > >> > levels—but the top three are carrying 96 open PRs between them while > > >> having > > >> > commented on 56 of other people's threads in total. 1fanwang sits > > >> exactly > > >> > on the 40% line. > > >> > > > >> > C. Low engagement and low merge rate (9 people, 82 open PRs) > > >> > > > >> > ┌───────────────────┬──────┬─────────────────┬─────────┬─────────┐ > > >> > │ Author │ Open │ Threads/open PR │ Reviews │ Merge % │ > > >> > ├───────────────────┼──────┼─────────────────┼─────────┼─────────┤ > > >> > │ bujjibabukatta │ 16 │ 0.2 │ 5 │ 11% │ > > >> > ├───────────────────┼──────┼─────────────────┼─────────┼─────────┤ > > >> > │ anmolxlight │ 12 │ 0.4 │ 12 │ 31% │ > > >> > ├───────────────────┼──────┼─────────────────┼─────────┼─────────┤ > > >> > │ dheerenmohta │ 10 │ 0.2 │ 0 │ 28% │ > > >> > ├───────────────────┼──────┼─────────────────┼─────────┼─────────┤ > > >> > │ namanjain24-sudo │ 8 │ 1.1 │ 1 │ 11% │ > > >> > ├───────────────────┼──────┼─────────────────┼─────────┼─────────┤ > > >> > │ Kunal8954 │ 8 │ 0.8 │ 6 │ 20% │ > > >> > ├───────────────────┼──────┼─────────────────┼─────────┼─────────┤ > > >> > │ bramhanandlingala │ 8 │ 0.0 │ 1 │ 22% │ > > >> > ├───────────────────┼──────┼─────────────────┼─────────┼─────────┤ > > >> > │ zozo123 │ 7 │ 0.1 │ 6 │ 17% │ > > >> > ├───────────────────┼──────┼─────────────────┼─────────┼─────────┤ > > >> > │ GayathriSrividya │ 7 │ 0.0 │ 9 │ 22% │ > > >> > ├───────────────────┼──────┼─────────────────┼─────────┼─────────┤ > > >> > │ nagasrisai │ 6 │ 0.7 │ 6 │ 29% │ > > >> > └───────────────────┴──────┴─────────────────┴─────────┴─────────┘ > > >> > > > >> > bramhanandlingala and GayathriSrividya have commented on zero > threads > > >> they > > >> > didn't author. This bucket is 82 open PRs with an aggregate merge > rate > > >> > around 21% - roughly four reviews spent per PR that eventually > lands. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > J. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > On Mon, Sep 21, 2026 at 9:09 PM Henry Chen <[email protected]> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > Thanks Jarek and Vincent for the detailed data and perspective > that > > >> > > context is really helpful. Seeing the actual numbers (especially > > that > > >> > even > > >> > > the top contributors rarely hit 5 open PRs), a cap of 5 makes > sense > > >> to me > > >> > > as a starting point. Happy to go with it and adjust later if we > find > > >> it's > > >> > > too tight in practice. > > >> > > > > >> > > Thanks > > >> > > Henry > > >> > > > > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > >> > > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >
