On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 15:56, Steven Noels wrote:

> I'd be perfectly willing to do so, if that message is a real issue for 
> the Avalon PMC. I don't want to spread FUD with regards to Codehaus, 
> though. Since the people behind Jira over there 
> (http://jira.codehaus.org/Administrators.jspa) should be in perfectly 
> good standing with the ASF, some of them even being Member as opposed to 
> me, maybe they might be willing to change that message on their frontpage.

That codehaus is trying to develop software in an antithetical fashion
to Apache is simply not true. The verbiage will be toned down but in
essense it says as soon as you expend more effort on trying to build a
community then developing the actual software then you have a an
inherent problem. For a given piece of software if the idea is sound you
will attract developers, if the developers then produce good software a
user base will form and a community will emerge of its own accord. 

That said anyone here is welcomed to use the JIRA installation on the
codehaus box. I'm also sure Mike would give you a copy of JIRA to
install anywhere you wished. I'm certainly not trying to garner any
favouritism by helping you host your issue tracking system. Something
for issue tracking is needed and the process/software for issue tracking
at Jakarta is broken and this is obvious to many.

> (I'm on this list, BTW, no need to copy me)
> 
> </Steven>
-- 
jvz.

Jason van Zyl
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http://tambora.zenplex.org

In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
  
  -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society


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