Timothy Bennett wrote:
Berin Loritsch wrote:
Could a 4.1 component be used by a 4.2 container? yes. Could a 4.2
component be used in a 4.1 container? not if it uses constructor injection. Hence it is backwards incompatible.
And a Java app that uses NIO isn't going to run in a 1.3 JVM. What's your point?
I think his point is that AF4 is both a component API as well as a Container API/Toolkit, and hence can not evolve at all.
My point is that historically AF4 (and prior) has always been just the framework. I have no problems with there being more to it than just framework--but there has been nothing I can see that has made it completely obvious that there is more.
I am asking there to be an official vote and line drawn in the sand that says before version X the only contract that mattered was Framework and everything else was a container feature. Starting with version X Avalon is XYZ.
IOW, Everything up to Avalon 4.2 is just framework, and Avalon 4.3/5/X on includes framework, meta, and anything else I don't know about.
I just want a clear line of demarcation. This will allow Fortress to
be Avalon Framework 4.2 compliant, and the Avalon team to continue to evolve the platform as they see fit.
I have no problem with evolution--I just have a problem with when AND what all the the other stuff has been added. It seems as if every time I visit this project another 'stuff' has been added. There is no real lowest common denominator.
The real issue is that since the Avalon platform is moving so much without much word as to how and why, I'd like to worry about 4.2 Framework compliance until the dust settles and there is a TCK in place. I cannot make any level of compliance with Avalon when not even its own team can agree on what is *officially* part of the Avalon component contract.
So the problem is contractual, community, and branding. It's not a technical issue--but that does not make it any less important.
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"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning."
- Rich Cook
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