All of that makes sense. I'd like to toss in one more suggestion: let's
release the python packages as wheels instead of tarballs or eggs.

https://pythonwheels.com has a good explanation for why.

I think there's already a ticket for this, although I can't go search for
it now. I'll change the build scripts in lang/py* sometime this week to do
that and to disable lang/py3 as well if there are no objections.

On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 02:40 Driesprong, Fokko <[email protected]> wrote:

> Makes sense Michael.
>
> I'm still working on this one:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AVRO-2663
>
> The current fix that I came up with does not fix the root cause, but this
> is very complex. I'd like to fix this, and then start the release for
> 1.9.2. Hopefully, I have some time this weekend. Would that work for you?
>
> One more thing, for Airflow we had to release the package name from airflow
> <https://pypi.org/project/airflow/> to apache-airflow
> <https://pypi.org/project/apache-airflow/>. We've dropped the old one by
> throwing an Error when you try to import the package. Would this be
> something that we would like to do for Avro in the future? For example,
> releasing avro-python3 version 1.10.0 with the sole message of having to
> import the avro package? Would like to get your opinion on this.
>
> Cheers, Fokko
>
> Op ma 6 jan. 2020 om 13:32 schreef Michael A. Smith <[email protected]
> >:
>
> > I'd suggest that we do at least one release that has support for both
> > python 2 and 3 in the same codebase. This may open doors for folks trying
> > to transition from both avro-python3 (lang/py3) to avro (lang/py) as well
> > as those trying to go from python 2 to 3 with lang/py.
> >
> > After that we should officially close out support for python 2.
> >
> > Please let me know how I can help with the release process. Should we
> have
> > a release soon?
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 13:31 Driesprong, Fokko <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks for bringing this up Michael and an awesome job on the Python
> > part.
> > >
> > > I'd suggest stopping releasing the avro-python3, and continue only
> > > releasing the avro package itself: https://pypi.org/project/avro/
> > >
> > > This will stop the releases of avro-python3, and in time we can also
> > remove
> > > it from the git repository. The big question is, are we still going to
> > > support Python2 for a while, it is still part of the CI. Supporting
> only
> > > higher versions of Python, such as 3.6, allows us to use new features,
> > such
> > > as type annotations.
> > >
> > > Cheers, Fokko
> > >
> > > Op zo 5 jan. 2020 om 18:44 schreef Michael A. Smith <
> > [email protected]
> > > >:
> > >
> > > > Hi! Given that Python has ended support for python 2 as of the
> first, I
> > > > went ahead and merged the PR. Test coverage is pretty good, so I'm
> > fairly
> > > > confident; however this is a big change, involving nearly every
> module
> > in
> > > > the python part of the project.
> > > >
> > > > So I'm wondering how this works when it comes to releasing. There
> > aren't
> > > > any API changes in the literal implementation. So in that light there
> > > isn't
> > > > any need to treat this version specially. But Python itself is
> markedly
> > > > different between 2 and 3 in some relevant areas.
> > > >
> > > > Do we need to do anything different for the next release of the
> lang/py
> > > > codebase?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your guidance!
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 11:43 Ryan Skraba <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello!  I wanted to make sure to thank you for doing all this
> > > > > python2/3 work!  I've learned a lot by watching and reading the
> > Python
> > > > > PRs coming through.
> > > > >
> > > > > I did a rough pass through the types of changes and cleanup, and
> I'm
> > > > > pretty happy :D  I'll try to get more thorough pass done, but
> > (indeed)
> > > > > I probably won't have a lot of time between now and the new year.
> > > > >
> > > > > All my best, Ryan
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 12:36 AM Michael A. Smith <
> > > [email protected]>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi, I've finished building out a unified python approach in
> > lang/py.
> > > > > > It passes our full Yetus tests in cpython 2.7 and 3.5. I also
> > tested
> > > > > > it and passed locally in 3.6, 3.7 and 3.8 as well as pypy 7.2.0
> for
> > > > > > both 2.7 and 3.6.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The pull request is here:
> https://github.com/apache/avro/pull/744
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I know many people are on holiday or unavailable in the near
> > future,
> > > > > > but I would really appreciate some eyes on this if you can find
> the
> > > > > > time. The tests give me some confidence, but the change was a
> > > > > > significant lift, as Python3 and Python2 handle bytes and unicode
> > > > > > strings in substantially different ways.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This gives us a path forward to unifying our python support (I
> > mean,
> > > > > > dropping lang/py3 and focusing on one API in one place) as well
> as
> > > > > > managing the sunset of python 2 support altogether.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you for your help with this project, either way!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - Michael
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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