Thanks Bruce and David,

Re-reading my email I feel a little embarrassed.

What it should have read was:

Great news. I look forward to having a code workspace where we can work on the bibliographic elements, and welcome anyone, Sun or otherwise, that knows enough about the internals of OOo to help us get to the stage where we can build OOo (and OD) with a great new bibliographic feature set.

I don't have `great C++ skills' but with building code in hand and a crowd of people to harrass, I'd have the chance to learn enough to make code that is worth reviewing ;)

Cheers,
James

ps. Do you think that the Sun employees would like to 'de-cloak' and say g'day at some point?

Yes, that would have been more welcoming and probably productive.

On Nov 20, 2005, at 9:34 AM, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:


On Nov 20, 2005, at 8:59 AM, Edward Summers wrote:

On Nov 19, 2005, at 1:09 PM, James Howison wrote:
Probably I'm crazy.

If you're crazy, then so am I. It seems odd to me as well.

David sent me his thoughts on explaining some of this. As he's in Australia, I hope he won't mind if I try clear this up a bit by just forwarding his note, with some slight additions. FWIW, we're not the only OOo project to be experiencing some of these challenges. OOo is a huge, complex application, and while it is open source, the people that are paid to understand it in depth work for Sun.

Anyway, from David (speaking for both of us of course):

James,

James you are not crazy. The situation is quite simple. We have been waiting on some Sun people for assistance not because we need to wait for a Sun employee, but because we have not had a volunteer in our project who understood Openoffice internals or its development process well enough to proceed by ourselves.

Like any other Open Source project, we could have, at any any stage in the past couple of years, checked out the OpenOffice source code, rebuilt it with bibliographic enhancements, and started using it.

There are several reason way this has not happened yet. One reason is simply that we have not been ready as we were designing the bibliographic formating engine and working out the changes necessary. But also we have not had anyone volunteer their time who had the interest, knowledge or skills to actually do development work on OOo internals.

We are hoping that by using Sun's experts to set up the workspace and then work with us to understand the details of what needs to be done, we can write up detailed task descriptions that we will be able to attract some skilled C++ programmers to take on some of these programming tasks.

David


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