On Sat March 25 2006 15:21, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
> On Mar 25, 2006, at 9:09 AM, CPHennessy wrote:
> > The following two questions about the Citations which you can answer
> > will help
> > to make it clearer for me :
> > 1 - currently the idea about citations is that the complete citation
> > appears
> > everywhere it is needed (e.g. it could be more than once thru the
> > document).
> > This is not exactly the same as the current implementation as they
> > have the
> > idea of a master bibligraphic entry (which contains all of the data)
> > and
> > "dependent" text fields entries which simply display the bibliographic
> > information. Is this the expected way the new citation code should
> > work ?
>
> I'm a little unclear on what you're asking, but let me try to answer
> and you can let me know if I'm not getting it.
>
> The current implementation embeds the bibliographic metadata in each
> citation (as a series of attributes). So if you include five citations
> to a given book, say, you get the same metadata embedded five times.
I did not realise this (I have not looked at the current parsing code as I was 
concentrating on the new one :)

> In the new approach, those five citations each point to the same --
> single -- metadata record, which is moved out of the content file into
> its own dedicated file.
Ah, now this was not clear to me. But the example docs you gave me did 
not do this. I presume that this was to make life a bit easier for me. It has 
but it left a gap in my understanding which you have now partially filled.


> So visually:
>
> citation <---> bibliographic record <----> bibliography entry
>
> In general, BTW, the pointer that associates citation with metadata
> should be a uri. For example, a uri for a book might be
> "urn:isbn:34235467".
Obviously this means that this URI will also be associated with the citation 
in the bibliographic record ?

> > 2 - (is a consequence of the above or make the decision for us) can one
> > citation be displayed in several ways in the same document at the same
> > time ?
>
> Do you mean, can different instances of the same citation be rendered
> differently within the same document?
Yes.

> If yes the answer is yes and no. In a global sense, no. There is one
> citation style for the entire document.
>
> However, there can be local modifications. For example, let's say we
> have an author-date citation style, in which a standard (global)
> citation is rendered like (Doe, 1999). A local style change might be
> where the author is left off, so that you end up with (1999).
Ok, my first attempt may ignore the possibility for local changes.

> > Note: That if one or two of you could help with other OOo work which I
> > am
> > committed to, it would make some more time available for me to work on
> > this
> > project.
>
> What sort of help are you looking for?
On the [email protected] list making sure that moderated users actually get 
answers CC:ed to them ( there are many users who do not known what a "mailing 
list" is nor how to interact with it). In the same way there are many people 
replying with answers on the users list who do not know that they should CC: 
the moderated user. This is currently taking me up to 1 hour per day.

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