On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 03:33PM, Sean Mackrory wrote: > >> but 'professional' always assumes 'getting paid for produced good or > services' > > That is not true. It is often used to refer to conducting one's self in a > dignified, ethical way.
Oh, and BTW - we can not be demanding from everyone to be ethical in the same definition of the work, as we don't define neither abide to an universal system of ethic, Sean. > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Mark Grover <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Yeah, I agree with you Cos - we may be splitting hairs here. I personally > > find that usage of professional perfectly fine in the context being used. > > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 03:06PM, Sean Mackrory wrote: > > > > I'm a +1. > > > > > > > > Re: Cos's suggestions, I believe by "unprofessional" they are referring > > > to > > > > anything contrary to the ethics and conduct associated with a > > profession. > > > > See some of the definitions here: > > > > http://www.thefreedictionary.com/unprofessional. I'm fine with the > > > wording > > > > > > Not to steal the thread, but 'professional' always assumes 'getting paid > > > for > > > produced good or services'. If you aren't paid - it's your hobby or > > > charity. > > > Thus, ASF isn't a professional association but a 503(c) organization. > > > Perhaps > > > I am splitting the hairs here but when you're dealing with one of those > > > three-letters agencies, you'd better be careful. > > > > > > > with or without the suggested changes. Doesn't affect my +1 either way. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Andre Arcilla <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > +1. Thanks. I hope the guidelines will finally put the twitter issue > > to > > > > > rest. > > > > > > > > > > Andre > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Konstantin Boudnik <[email protected] > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I want to offer a couple of corrections to the language, without > > > changing > > > > > > the > > > > > > overall semantics: > > > > > > > > > > > > - Never post anything via social media you wouldn't want to see > > > reported > > > > > > on > > > > > > news sites. > > > > > > > > > > > > if pretty vague. What if the intention is exactly to see this on > > the > > > news > > > > > > sites? How about something like this instead: > > > > > > > > > > > > Anything said in public is fair game for press. > > > > > > Any info published in the social media can be interpreted to > > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > advantage of the project or otherwise. Be thoughtful of the > > > > > possible > > > > > > consequences of the posts. > > > > > > > > > > > > - Informal voice is OK, unprofessional is not. > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache isn't a professional organization. By definition, all > > > participants > > > > > > are > > > > > > volunteers (which is reflected in the non-profit status of the > > > > > Foundation). > > > > > > Hence, I don't see how "unprofessional" can fit into this. My > > > command of > > > > > > English isn't so great, so perhaps someone else would be able to > > > better > > > > > > convey > > > > > > the proper meaning? > > > > > > > > > > > > - Bigtop does not have "sponsors", events and activities have > > > sponsors. > > > > > > > > > > > > This clause is redundant, I believe. This is the very core > > > definition of > > > > > > ASF, > > > > > > so we don't need to make a clumsy attempt to reiterate ASF public > > > policy > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.apache.org/foundation/sponsorship.html > > > > > > > > > > > > Like the rest of it! > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 contingent that we can address the above. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cos > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 01:10AM, Bruno MahИ wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per discussion on [0] and [1], we seem to have built consensus > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > > need for some Social Media Guidelines as well as what these > > > guidelines > > > > > > should be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This email is about voting the adoption of the guidelines as > > > described > > > > > > on: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=53740308 > > > > > > - v1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will also attach the guidelines below my email for convenience > > > and > > > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 : To accept the Social Media Guidelines as currently described > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > > wiki and attached to this email > > > > > > > 0 : No opinion one way or the other > > > > > > > -1 : To reject the Social Media Guidelines as currently described > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > > wiki and attached to this email > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The vote shall be open for at least 72 hours and will be closed > > on > > > > > > Thursday, > > > > > > > March 19th at 01:00 PST. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Bruno > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [0] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/bigtop-dev/201503.mbox/%3CCAGC%2B2MuPny%3D6HcO_OMRU-i-T%2BDcE5-5CfGabrWMFM%3DU5P666qQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/bigtop-dev/201503.mbox/%3C550131E4.2090802%40bmahe.net%3E > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ====================================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Social Media Guidelines > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Social+Media+Guidelines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This document is a proposal currently under discussion - it has > > not > > > > > > > yet been accepted by the Bigtop community. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The original text was taken from Apache Cloudstack's Social Media > > > > > > > Guidelines: Social Media Guidelines < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Social+Media+Guidelines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache Bigtop Social Media Guidelines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Apache Bigtop project has a Twitter account (@ASFBigtop) that > > > it > > > > > > > can use to spread news about the project and promote the project. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Apache Bigtop Social Media Guidelines > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Social+Media+Guidelines#SocialMediaGuidelines-ApacheCloudStackSocialMediaGuidelines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o Access to Social Media Accounts > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Social+Media+Guidelines#SocialMediaGuidelines-AccesstoSocialMediaAccounts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o Do's and Don'ts for Social Media > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Social+Media+Guidelines#SocialMediaGuidelines-Do%27sandDon%27tsforSocialMedia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access to Social Media Accounts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access to the social media accounts can be granted to any > > committer > > > > > > > or PMC member who would like to participate. When possible, > > access > > > > > > > will be through Hootsuite or another tool that does not require > > > > > > > disseminating the login credentials. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do's and Don'ts for Social Media > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Before posting anything, you'll want to familiarize yourself with > > > > > > > Apache's Media and Analyst Relations < > > http://www.apache.org/press/ > > > > > > > > > > > page and brand management page > > > > > > > <http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/>. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether you're posting from a personal account *about* Apache > > > Bigtop > > > > > > > or posting from one of the official accounts, there are a few > > > things > > > > > > > you want to keep in mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * *Anything said in public is fair game for press.* > > > > > > > o Never post anything via social media you wouldn't want to > > > see > > > > > > > reported on news sites. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Make sure what you're saying/sharing is appropriate for all > > > > > > > audiences, and reflects well on Apache Bigtop. > > > > > > > o Be polite when talking about Bigtop and responding to > > > questions. > > > > > > > o Informal voice is OK, unprofessional is not. > > > > > > > o Absolutely no use of NSFW language, images, or scenarios > > > when > > > > > > > using official Apache Bigtop accounts - and avoid > > > associating > > > > > > > Apache Bigtop with anything that is likely to be > > considered > > > > > > > offensive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Share relevant, positive information. > > > > > > > o Feel free to share stories about Bigtop, whether they come > > > from > > > > > > > the Bigtop community, tech press, or folks outside of the > > > press > > > > > > > and community. > > > > > > > o Avoid sharing negative stories about "competing" projects. > > > > > > > o Keep posts/reposts relevant. Everybody loves LOLCats, but > > > it's > > > > > > > probably best not to share them from the official Bigtop > > > social > > > > > > > media accounts. > > > > > > > o Please share event information *so long as it's > > > Bigtop-related*. > > > > > > > /e.g./ Promoting an event where there are talks about > > > Bigtop is > > > > > > > spot-on. Promoting an event only because a vendor that has > > > an > > > > > > > interest in Bigtop is participating would be outside the > > > scope > > > > > > > of Bigtop social media accounts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Be sure information is public > > > > > > > o Companies sometimes discuss plans/ideas informally at > > > events. > > > > > > > It's often a good idea to ask before sharing information > > on > > > > > > > social media if it might be considered non-public. (For > > > example, > > > > > > > information presented during a talk should be fair game. > > > > > > > Information shared over dinner may not be for public > > > > > > dissemination.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Bigtop does not have "sponsors", events and activities have > > > > > sponsors. > > > > > > > o Avoid language like /$foo_company is sponsoring the Apache > > > > > > > Bigtop project/. > > > > > > > o Companies *can* sponsor events and activities. For > > example, > > > > > > > /$foo_company is hosting a Bigtop meetup in Atlanta this > > > > > weekend/. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Don't use Apache Bigtop social media accounts to promote > > > unrelated > > > > > > > commercial activities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * *When in doubt, ask* > > > > > > > o If you're unclear on whether a post or item is OK, ask on > > > the > > > > > > > project mailing list. The other contributors on the list > > > will > > > > > > > *always* be happy to discuss and guide other contributors > > on > > > > > > > what is and isn't appropriate for our social media > > > activities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
