I’m happy to serve as the initial VP if that is the consensus. I like the idea that the post comes up annually, and that triggers a “state of the project” discussion. And it would be great if I can rotate the role to someone else. I share Ted’s concerns about diversity - not just in the VP, but also in release managers and committers (i.e. people taking third-party contributions and committing them to master branch).
To improve diversity, I think it would help if we start counting and reporting who is doing third-party commits. There’s too much of me right now. Also, it doesn’t need to be in the bylaws, but after graduation, let’s agree a “start date” so that the appointment is exactly a year. (Analogous to Jan 20 for US presidents.) Julian > On Sep 3, 2015, at 10:55 PM, Nick Dimiduk <[email protected]> wrote: > > +1 on Julian as initial VP, if he's interested in holding the > responsibility. I like Jacques's suggestion of a "renewal consideration" on > some interval. I'm not sure this is necessary to include as bylaws, more > like a healthy practice for a democratically organized endeavor. > > -n > > On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 10:03 PM, Jacques Nadeau <[email protected]> wrote: > >> My thoughts on this are a little different. I like the concept as it simply >> causes a discussion to happen once a year. The community can always choose >> to have the same person. This just helps us lazy people to remember to >> discuss this on occasion. Momentum is great and time flies. I like having a >> reminder once in a while... >> On Sep 2, 2015 9:49 PM, "Ted Dunning" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Hmmm. Rotating often is really good for spreading knowledge. >>> >>> If calcite has any defect it is the tendency to depend on Julian's high >>> throughput. Hard to argue with in the moment but the project will do >>> better from spreading the load and experience. Having Jacques run the >> last >>> release was a great step in that direction. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Sep 2, 2015, at 21:10, James Taylor <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> +1 to Julian as VP. If folks are willing to step up for taking the >> reins, >>>> that's a good idea, but a yearly rotation may be too frequent >> (especially >>>> initially) IMHO. >>>> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Jacques Nadeau <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I appreciate the humility but I think it is a no-brainer that Julian >>> should >>>>> be the VP. The one thought I suggest is having a rotating chair each >>> year. >>>>> Thoughts on that? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Julian Hyde <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Let’s agree on the text of the motion before we start a vote. I >> propose >>>>>> the following text (see below). >>>>>> >>>>>> If you are a committer, please: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. Review the text. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. Remove your name from the list, if you do NOT wish to remain a >>>>>> committer after graduation. (You can email me privately if you >> prefer.) >>>>>> >>>>>> 3. Send nominations for an initial Vice President. (This will replace >>> the >>>>>> placeholder, "<TBD>”, in the text below.) >>>>>> >>>>>> At Ted’s suggestion, I started a thread on the Incubator list asking >> a >>>>>> shepherd to review. >>>>>> >>>>>> Julian >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> - - - - snip >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests >> of >>>>>> the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to >>> establish >>>>> a >>>>>> Project Management Committee charged with the creation and >> maintenance >>> of >>>>>> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public, >>>>> related >>>>>> to parsing and planning queries on data in a wide variety of formats. >>>>>> >>>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee >>>>> (PMC), >>>>>> to be known as the "Apache Calcite Project", be and hereby is >>> established >>>>>> pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further >>>>>> >>>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Calcite Project be and hereby is >> responsible >>>>> for >>>>>> the creation and maintenance of software related to interactive >>> analysis >>>>> of >>>>>> large-scale datasets; and be it further RESOLVED, that the office of >>>>> "Vice >>>>>> President, Apache Calcite" be and hereby is created, the person >> holding >>>>>> such office to serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as >> the >>>>>> chair of the Apache Calcite Project, and to have primary >> responsibility >>>>> for >>>>>> management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the >>>>> Apache >>>>>> Calcite Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the persons listed >>>>>> immediately below be and hereby are appointed to serve as the initial >>>>>> members of the Apache Calcite Project: >>>>>> >>>>>> * Alan Gates <gates at apache dot org> >>>>>> * Aman Sinha <amansinha at apache dot org> >>>>>> * Ashutosh Chauhan <hashutosh at apache dot org> >>>>>> * Chris Wensel <cwensel at apache dot org> >>>>>> * James R. Taylor <jamestaylor at apache dot org> >>>>>> * Jacques Nadeau <jacques at apache dot org> >>>>>> * Jesús Camacho Rodríguez <jcamacho at apache dot org> >>>>>> * Jinfeng Ni <jni at apache dot org> >>>>>> * John Pullokkaran <jpullokk at apache dot org> >>>>>> * Julian Hyde <jhyde at apache dot org> >>>>>> * Nick Dimiduk <ndimiduk at apache dot org> >>>>>> * Steven Noels <stevenn at apache dot org> >>>>>> * Ted Dunning <tdunning at apache dot org> >>>>>> * Vladimir Sitnikov <vladimirsitnikov at apache dot org> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that <TBD> be appointed to >> the >>>>>> office of Vice President, Apache Calcite, to serve in accordance with >>> and >>>>>> subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of >>> the >>>>>> Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or >>>>>> disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it >> further >>>>>> >>>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Calcite Project be and hereby is tasked >> with >>>>> the >>>>>> migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator Calcite >> podling; >>>>> and >>>>>> be it further >>>>>> >>>>>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache >> Incubator >>>>>> Calcite podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator Project are >>>>> hereafter >>>>>> discharged. >>>>>> >>>>>> - - - - >>>>> >>> >>
