I'm not a PMC, and given everything that's happened recently, I no longer have any desire to be.
I have nothing against improving the moderator situation. What I have, and continue to have, is something against the way you and the board go about things. On 4 November 2016 at 16:57, Chris Mattmann <mattm...@apache.org> wrote: > > > On 2016-11-04 09:51 (-0700), Benedict Elliott Smith <bened...@apache.org> > wrote: > > Wow, that was quite the aggressive email. The thing is, it very much > looks > > like the only reason you care about this delay is because Kellabyte is > > making the ASF board look bad on twitter. If it weren't the case, it > seems > > unlikely such a "slow" 12hr response would receive board notice, let > alone > > ire. > > > > I think the board forgets that all of these functions are fulfilled by > > volunteers (whoever the moderators are - I genuinely haven't a clue). > > Expecting volunteers to jump to it, because the board is looking bad, > seems > > like a pretty clear *abuse* of process. > > > > She is welcome to denigrate the Apache Board. In fact, if you go back and > read the Tweets she was originally doing so to DataStax. That said, the > whole premise is that this is a conversation happening on Twitter where > potentially knowledge could be gained about *Apache* Cassandra. You know, > the project here at the ASF? And not somewhere else? Yet again, here we are > at the 6th email, and the 2 second task to moderate a message through that > could enable a conversation to be had on the *Apache* lists rather than > Twitter still remains not being had here. > > I have been subscribed to dev@cassandra for months. This is not a high > volume list. AT ALL. Yet you act like it's volunteer time that's preventing > moderating a message through in 12 hours. Instead of asking the real > question - are there enough moderators for the list in different timezones > that can appropriately ensure that conversation happens on the list? Is > that your goal? Are you on the Apache Cassandra PMC? Do you think it's > healthy to send emails trying to talk shit instead of simply moderating > messages through that could ground the conversation here at the ASF? > > Clearly per your snark and email you are pleased with Kelly "making the > board look bad" [sic] on Twitter. Why not increase the visibility of making > the board look bad and do so here on the official list for the project? Or > is Twitter the official list now? Go ahead, I'll wait. > > > > > > On 4 November 2016 at 16:44, Chris Mattmann <mattm...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > So seriously, we're going to send now 4 emails talking about what a > user > > > of Apache Cassandra and possible community member could have done > right or > > > better or sooner, or that there is no time limit to moderating shit > when it > > > could have been as simple as literally sending a confirmation email to > > > moderate it through? This is the definition of process over community. > And > > > it's the definition (wrongly so) of why people think it's "Apache" that > > > induces the processes that make shit hard, and not the community > itself. > > > Seriously this is a joke. So what if she didn't do it right the first > time. > > > You think potentially moderating her mail through and then sending a > kind > > > email suggesting she look at the instructions for how to subscribe, > which > > > oh someone may not have found easy to do or simply not understood that > > > simply sending an email to the list wouldn't have made it go through > the > > > first time? Is it that hard to figure out? Really? > > > > > > This is the definition of making things hard and not making them easy > or > > > friendly. And this is also exactly what enables people to sound off on > > > Twitter about a project, and loses the conversation that could have > been > > > had on Apache mailing lists. Kelly has been tweeting for days. I saw > her > > > tweets retweeted by someone in my feed, and yesterday asked her kindly > to > > > bring her conversation to the list. 12 hours later it's still in > > > moderation, and we are arguing whether to f'ing moderate it through. > Wow. > > > Great job. > > > > > > On 2016-11-04 09:37 (-0700), Edward Capriolo <edlinuxg...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > Is the message in moderation because > > > > 1) it was sent by someone not registered with the list > > > > 2) some other reason (anti-spam etc) > > > > > > > > If it is is case 1: Isn't the correct process to inform and encourage > > > > someone list properly? > > > > If it is case 2: Is there an expected ETA for list moderation events? > > > > (probably not) > > > > > > > > I see twitter mentioned. We know that sometimes news and sentiment in > > > > social media move fast and cause reactions on incorrect/unvetted > > > > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3010) < > > > > chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hmm. Not excessive but you have a situation where someone is > tweeting > > > > > thinking her message didn't go through and conversation is > happening > > > there > > > > > when that same conversation could be had on list. If you are ok > with > > > that > > > > > continuing to happen then great but I am not. Can someone please > > > moderate > > > > > the message through? > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 04/11/2016 15:47, Chris Mattmann wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Folks, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Kelly Sommers sent a message to dev@cassandra and I'm trying to > > > figure > > > > > out if it's in moderation. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Can the moderators speak up? > > > > > > > > > > > > Using my infra karma, I checked the mail server. That message is > > > waiting > > > > > > for moderator approval. It has been in moderation for 12 hours > which > > > > > > doesn't strike me as at all excessive. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
