Hi Russ,

Sorry that you feel that way. I’m happy to be the villain when it comes to 
those same ideals you cite regarding Apache in your below thread. You see I’ve 
around since 2004 and elected by the membership to the Board for the last three 
based on merit, and contributions towards those ideals over a decade of the 
I’ve been around longer than Apache Cassandra and this community and fully 
for that to continue. My job is not to only care about Cassandra. It’s to 
ensure that the 
ASF is a vendor neutral ground for ALL of its projects. You see I actually 
understand and 
have read what’s required of me to serve the membership of the ASF and its 
I take this VERY seriously. Perhaps more than you know.

You see the other problem with your complaint about me – is that unfortunately 
do not have a voice to act on that complaint. You won’t have a vote in the next 
Board election. You won’t have a vote in the next Members election. And *that* 
the rub. I wouldn’t even care if you did or not and you voted against me on the 
If the Apache Cassandra PMC or community cared enough about you or your 
to the project, you would have been made a committer, or PMC member, long ago, 
heck you would have even had a chance to become an ASF member where you could do
more than simply voice your displeasure with my actions, you would be able to 
vote with
your feet against my tyranny of trying to make this project’s management 
understand their responsibilities for the ASF. I don’t even consider your 
requests to have
me vilified in front of the Board something that would disqualify you for 
membership in 
the PMC or committee. If you have been making contributions, even discussion 
answering questions, etc., to the point of your prior emails including this one 
– why haven’t
you been elected to have a binding voice within the project? Please ask 
yourself that. 

In fact, please ask yourself – what is a “Cassandra MVP” compared to a member 
of the 
ASF which is home to the project? Also please go look at all the people I’ve 
been privy and 
voted on granting membership to within the foundation since 2011, go look at 
some of the 
functioning and healthy projects that don’t have a problem with vendor 
neutrality at the 
ASF, and *then* come and talk to me about how my professional and character 
isn’t such 
to stand on the board of the ASF. Again, I’ll wait.

If it’s a hostile request to ask that a potentially inflammatory Twitter 
discussion that I attempted
to bring about to the *source of the project’s discussion here at the ASF* and 
for a mail summarizing
that Twitter discussion to be moderated through within 12 hours, and
for the PMC of an Apache project to understand its commitments regarding having
geographically diverse moderators for their Apache lists; and if it’s a hostile 
request to 
ask that all members of the community including those non committers and/or PMC 
that take to Twitter to voice their concerns when they are not sure of even 
where the 
canonical discussion for the project is have a voice here on the canonical 
lists for the project
then there is something fundamentally wrong with the community. I will assert 
again based 
on my reading of the facts including archives, code, discussions here and 
outside of the ASF, abuse 
of trademarks, vendor non-neutrality, tea leaves and the collective WHOLE of 
those things that my initial
request to bring the conversation on list -  that was met with the usual random 
drive by vitriol and my follow
up asking how in the bleeping world there were at least 3 emails questioning 
whether or not an email
should be moderated though - was warranted. 

I state this as someone who has seen Apache projects come and go and will 
continue to see that, even ones at the same level of interest as Cassandra (and 
much more too as well). If it’s hostile for a Board member to drive the 
discussions to 
the mailing list instead of outside sources, then my apologies for my 
hostility. You will
continue to get that apology as I continue to do my job and what I signed up to 
do as an
ASF board member in terms of maintaining that vendor neutrality, irrespective 
of whether
or not people don’t like my directness, frankness, and discussion.


On 11/4/16, 1:09 PM, "Russell Bradberry" <rbradbe...@gmail.com> wrote:

       - ... we are arguing whether to f'ing moderate it through. Wow. Great
       - Do you think it's healthy to send emails trying to talk shit instead
       of ...
       - ... project? Or is Twitter the official list now? Go ahead, I'll wait.
    Given your behavior and rhetoric on this thread, I believe you lack the
    professionalism and character to be a board member of anything, let alone
    representing the Apache Software Foundation and it's ideals. I've CC'd the
    rest of the Apache board because I would like to formally complain about
    your divisive rhetoric and overall unprofessional conduct within this
    mailing list.
    This list, and community, are made up of individuals and volunteers. I
    believe, attacking them, even though you believe you may have been
    attacked, detracts from the conversation and elevates tension in an already
    tense community.  I encourage others to chime in if I am misreading here. I
    personally feel that someone acting in a leadership capacity, such as a
    board member, should be held to a higher standard of professionalism and
    conduct when doing business; whether it is with their board member hat on
    or not.  I would hate for it to be assumed that the entire Apache board
    encourages, promotes, or even acts in this manner.
    On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 1:18 PM Mattmann, Chris A (3010) <
    chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
    > Mark Thomas got it done ✅
    > Sent from my iPhone
    > > On Nov 4, 2016, at 10:13 AM, Jason Brown <jasedbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > >
    > > s/sis/is
    > >
    > >> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Jason Brown <jasedbr...@gmail.com>
    > wrote:
    > >>
    > >> Chris,
    > >>
    > >> Yes, I would like to be added, and here sis the ticket I filed:
    > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-12858.
    > >>
    > >> Thanks,
    > >>
    > >> -Jason
    > >>
    > >> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Chris Mattmann <mattm...@apache.org>
    > >> wrote:
    > >>
    > >>> I have apmail karma and can add moderators.
    > >>>
    > >>> Jason I can add you - please confirm you would like to be added. Did
    > you
    > >>> file the ticket - if so point me to it. If you haven't yet, no worries
    > I
    > >>> can still add you. Let me know. Thanks.
    > >>>
    > >>>> On 2016-11-04 09:54 (-0700), Jason Brown <jasedbr...@gmail.com>
    > wrote:
    > >>>> Gary,
    > >>>>
    > >>>> I've just started looking into the moderator component due to this
    > >>> thread;
    > >>>> I admit I did not know about it before (my fault). Yes, I would like
    > to
    > >>> be
    > >>>> added. Apparently, I need to file an INFRA ticket (as per
    > >>>> https://www.apache.org/dev/committers.html#mailing-list-moderators),
    > >>> which
    > >>>> I will do in the next few minutes.
    > >>>>
    > >>>> -Jason
    > >>>>
    > >>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Gary Dusbabek <gdusba...@gmail.com>
    > >>> wrote:
    > >>>>
    > >>>>> I'm beginning to wonder if I'm the only one with moderator privs. 
    > >>> other
    > >>>>> committer/PMCs interested?
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> Sorry, it's a chore to begin with and I've been traveling this week.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> Gary.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Chris Mattmann <mattm...@apache.org>
    > >>>>> wrote:
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>> Hi Folks,
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> Kelly Sommers sent a message to dev@cassandra and I'm trying to
    > >>> figure
    > >>>>>> out if it's in moderation.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> Can the moderators speak up?
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> Cheers,
    > >>>>>> Chris
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>
    > >>
    > >>

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