Hi Russ,
Sorry that you feel that way. I’m happy to be the villain when it comes to
protecting
those same ideals you cite regarding Apache in your below thread. You see I’ve
been
around since 2004 and elected by the membership to the Board for the last three
years
based on merit, and contributions towards those ideals over a decade of the
ASF.
I’ve been around longer than Apache Cassandra and this community and fully
intend
for that to continue. My job is not to only care about Cassandra. It’s to
ensure that the
ASF is a vendor neutral ground for ALL of its projects. You see I actually
understand and
have read what’s required of me to serve the membership of the ASF and its
communities.
I take this VERY seriously. Perhaps more than you know.
You see the other problem with your complaint about me – is that unfortunately
you
do not have a voice to act on that complaint. You won’t have a vote in the next
Apache
Board election. You won’t have a vote in the next Members election. And *that*
is
the rub. I wouldn’t even care if you did or not and you voted against me on the
ballot.
If the Apache Cassandra PMC or community cared enough about you or your
contributions
to the project, you would have been made a committer, or PMC member, long ago,
and
heck you would have even had a chance to become an ASF member where you could do
more than simply voice your displeasure with my actions, you would be able to
vote with
your feet against my tyranny of trying to make this project’s management
committee
understand their responsibilities for the ASF. I don’t even consider your
requests to have
me vilified in front of the Board something that would disqualify you for
membership in
the PMC or committee. If you have been making contributions, even discussion
threads,
answering questions, etc., to the point of your prior emails including this one
– why haven’t
you been elected to have a binding voice within the project? Please ask
yourself that.
In fact, please ask yourself – what is a “Cassandra MVP” compared to a member
of the
ASF which is home to the project? Also please go look at all the people I’ve
been privy and
voted on granting membership to within the foundation since 2011, go look at
some of the
functioning and healthy projects that don’t have a problem with vendor
neutrality at the
ASF, and *then* come and talk to me about how my professional and character
isn’t such
to stand on the board of the ASF. Again, I’ll wait.
If it’s a hostile request to ask that a potentially inflammatory Twitter
discussion that I attempted
to bring about to the *source of the project’s discussion here at the ASF* and
for a mail summarizing
that Twitter discussion to be moderated through within 12 hours, and
for the PMC of an Apache project to understand its commitments regarding having
geographically diverse moderators for their Apache lists; and if it’s a hostile
request to
ask that all members of the community including those non committers and/or PMC
that take to Twitter to voice their concerns when they are not sure of even
where the
canonical discussion for the project is have a voice here on the canonical
lists for the project
then there is something fundamentally wrong with the community. I will assert
again based
on my reading of the facts including archives, code, discussions here and
outside of the ASF, abuse
of trademarks, vendor non-neutrality, tea leaves and the collective WHOLE of
those things that my initial
request to bring the conversation on list - that was met with the usual random
drive by vitriol and my follow
up asking how in the bleeping world there were at least 3 emails questioning
whether or not an email
should be moderated though - was warranted.
I state this as someone who has seen Apache projects come and go and will
continue to see that, even ones at the same level of interest as Cassandra (and
much
much more too as well). If it’s hostile for a Board member to drive the
discussions to
the mailing list instead of outside sources, then my apologies for my
hostility. You will
continue to get that apology as I continue to do my job and what I signed up to
do as an
ASF board member in terms of maintaining that vendor neutrality, irrespective
of whether
or not people don’t like my directness, frankness, and discussion.
Chris
On 11/4/16, 1:09 PM, "Russell Bradberry" <rbradbe...@gmail.com> wrote:
- ... we are arguing whether to f'ing moderate it through. Wow. Great
job.
- Do you think it's healthy to send emails trying to talk shit instead
of ...
- ... project? Or is Twitter the official list now? Go ahead, I'll wait.
Given your behavior and rhetoric on this thread, I believe you lack the
professionalism and character to be a board member of anything, let alone
representing the Apache Software Foundation and it's ideals. I've CC'd the
rest of the Apache board because I would like to formally complain about
your divisive rhetoric and overall unprofessional conduct within this
mailing list.
This list, and community, are made up of individuals and volunteers. I
believe, attacking them, even though you believe you may have been
attacked, detracts from the conversation and elevates tension in an already
tense community. I encourage others to chime in if I am misreading here. I
personally feel that someone acting in a leadership capacity, such as a
board member, should be held to a higher standard of professionalism and
conduct when doing business; whether it is with their board member hat on
or not. I would hate for it to be assumed that the entire Apache board
encourages, promotes, or even acts in this manner.
-Russ
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 1:18 PM Mattmann, Chris A (3010) <
chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> Mark Thomas got it done ✅
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 4, 2016, at 10:13 AM, Jason Brown <jasedbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > s/sis/is
> >
> >> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Jason Brown <jasedbr...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Chris,
> >>
> >> Yes, I would like to be added, and here sis the ticket I filed:
> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-12858.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> -Jason
> >>
> >> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Chris Mattmann <mattm...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I have apmail karma and can add moderators.
> >>>
> >>> Jason I can add you - please confirm you would like to be added. Did
> you
> >>> file the ticket - if so point me to it. If you haven't yet, no worries
> I
> >>> can still add you. Let me know. Thanks.
> >>>
> >>>> On 2016-11-04 09:54 (-0700), Jason Brown <jasedbr...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>> Gary,
> >>>>
> >>>> I've just started looking into the moderator component due to this
> >>> thread;
> >>>> I admit I did not know about it before (my fault). Yes, I would like
> to
> >>> be
> >>>> added. Apparently, I need to file an INFRA ticket (as per
> >>>> https://www.apache.org/dev/committers.html#mailing-list-moderators),
> >>> which
> >>>> I will do in the next few minutes.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Jason
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Gary Dusbabek <gdusba...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I'm beginning to wonder if I'm the only one with moderator privs.
Any
> >>> other
> >>>>> committer/PMCs interested?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sorry, it's a chore to begin with and I've been traveling this week.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Gary.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Chris Mattmann <mattm...@apache.org>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Folks,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Kelly Sommers sent a message to dev@cassandra and I'm trying to
> >>> figure
> >>>>>> out if it's in moderation.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Can the moderators speak up?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>> Chris
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
>
