> I don't understand how adding keys changes release frequency. Did
someone request a release to be made or are we on some assumed date
interval?

I don't know if it would (especially by itself), I just know that if more
people are able to do releases that's more opportunity to do so.

I think getting more folks involved in the release process is a good idea
for other reasons.  People take vacations, there's job conflicts, there's
life stuff (kids usually take priority), etc.

The last release of 3.11 was almost half a year ago, and there's 30+ bug
fixes in the 3.11 branch.

> Did someone request a release to be made or are we on some assumed date
interval?

I can't recall (and a search didn't find) anyone asking for a 3.11.4
release, but I think part of the point is that requesting a release from a
static release manager is a sign of a flaw in the release process.

On a human, note, it feels a little awkward asking for a release.  I might
be alone on this though.

Jon


On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 1:16 PM Michael Shuler <mich...@pbandjelly.org>
wrote:

> Mick and I have discussed this previously, but I don't recall if it was
> email or irc. Apologies if I was unable to describe the problem to a
> point of general understanding.
>
> To reiterate the problem, changing gpg signature keys screws our debian
> and redhat package repositories for all users. Tarballs are not
> installed with a client that checks signatures in a known trust
> database. When gpg key signer changes, users need to modify their trust
> on every node, importing new key(s), in order for packages to
> install/upgrade with apt or yum.
>
> I don't understand how adding keys changes release frequency. Did
> someone request a release to be made or are we on some assumed date
> interval?
>
> Michael
>
> On 1/7/19 2:30 PM, Jonathan Haddad wrote:
> > That's a good point.  Looking at the ASF docs I had assumed the release
> > manager was per-project, but on closer inspection it appears to be
> > per-release.  You're right, it does say that it can be any committer.
> >
> > http://www.apache.org/dev/release-publishing.html#release_manager
> >
> > We definitely need more frequent releases, if this is the first step
> > towards that goal, I think it's worth it.
> >
> > Glad you brought this up!
> > Jon
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 11:58 AM Mick Semb Wever <m...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>> I don't see any reason to have any keys in there, except from release
> >>> managers who are signing releases.
> >>
> >>
> >> Shouldn't any PMC (or committer) should be able to be a release manager?
> >>
> >> The release process should be reliable and reproducible enough to be
> safe
> >> for rotating release managers every release. I would have thought
> security
> >> concerns were better addressed by a more tested process? And AFAIK no
> other
> >> asf projects are as restrictive on who can be the release manager role
> (but
> >> i've only checked a few projects).
> >>
> >>
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