-0 to cutting a beta we know has a very obvious correctness flaw with a fix
already understood



On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 10:40 AM Patrick McFadin <pmcfa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> JD, that wasn't my point. It feels like we are treating a beta like an RC,
> which it isn't. Ship Beta 1 now and Beta 2 later. We need people looking
> today because they will find new bugs and the signal is lost on alpha. It's
> too yolo for most people.
>
> On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 10:36 AM Benjamin Lerer <b.le...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> -1 based on the problems raised by Caleb.
>>
>> I would be fine with releasing that version as an alpha as Jeremiah
>> proposed.
>>
>> As of this time, I'm also not aware of a user of the project operating a
>>> build from the 5.0 branch at substantial scale to suss out the operational
>>> side of what can be expected. If someone is running a build supporting
>>> non-perf-test traffic derived from the 5.0 branch and has an experience
>>> report to share it would be great to read.
>>
>>
>> Some people at Datastax are working on such testing. It will take a bit
>> of time before we get the final results though.
>>
>> Le mar. 28 nov. 2023 à 19:27, J. D. Jordan <jeremiah.jor...@gmail.com> a
>> écrit :
>>
>>> That said. This is clearly better than and with many fixes from the
>>> alpha. Would people be more comfortable if this cut was released as another
>>> alpha and we do beta1 once the known fixes land?
>>>
>>> On Nov 28, 2023, at 12:21 PM, J. D. Jordan <jeremiah.jor...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> -0 (NB) on this cut. Given the concerns expressed so far in the thread I
>>> would think we should re-cut beta1 at the end of the week.
>>>
>>> On Nov 28, 2023, at 12:06 PM, Patrick McFadin <pmcfa...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> I'm a +1 on a beta now vs maybe later. Beta doesn't imply perfect
>>> especially if there are declared known issues. We need people outside of
>>> this tight group using it and finding issues. I know how this rolls. Very
>>> few people touch a Alpha release. Beta is when the engine starts and we
>>> need to get it started asap. Otherwise we are telling ourselves we have the
>>> perfect testing apparatus and don't need more users testing. I don't think
>>> that is the case.
>>>
>>> Scott, Ekaterina, and I are going to be on stage in 2 weeks talking
>>> about Cassandra 5 in the keynotes. In that time, our call to action is
>>> going to be to test the beta.
>>>
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 9:41 AM Mick Semb Wever <m...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The vote will be open for 72 hours (longer if needed). Everyone who has
>>>>> tested the build is invited to vote. Votes by PMC members are considered
>>>>> binding. A vote passes if there are at least three binding +1s and no 
>>>>> -1's.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> Checked
>>>> - signing correct
>>>> - checksums are correct
>>>> - source artefact builds (JDK 11+17)
>>>> - binary artefact runs (JDK 11+17)
>>>> - debian package runs (JDK 11+17)
>>>> - debian repo runs (JDK 11+17)
>>>> - redhat* package runs (JDK11+17)
>>>> - redhat* repo runs (JDK 11+17)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> With the disclaimer:  There's a few known bugs in SAI, e.g. 19011, with
>>>> fixes to be available soon in 5.0-beta2.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

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