On Apr 10, 2009, at 6:02 PM, Joseph Schmidt wrote:

From my very short experience with Cayenne (totally newbie), I start to believe that Cayenne's biggest problem is it's "visibility". This is also a problem for the users that would like to use it: they have a hard time convincing project managers (not because of some missing standard or feature, but because of "critical mass" and visibility - many don't even know that it exists).

Agreed.

I also believe Maven is a deal breaker (like a warning sign) for most new users to try explore the internals of Cayenne.

I don't agree. Maven is very ubiquitous these days. Besides there is a purely technical issue. For all its undeniable flaws Maven scales in terms of the # of projects. Ant doesn't. Over the years I've started a number of projects with Ant, that had to be migrated to Maven later on, simply because Ant could no longer support the expanding build scope. So people who want to try poking with Cayenne internals will have to at least learn to follow the instructions:

http://cayenne.apache.org/developer-guide.html

It is not that hard, really.

Andrus

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