Hi Denis,
That sounds great, I'll be around for answering any questions, technical or
otherwise.
Kind regards
Bob
On 2013/09/20 17:07, Dennis M. J. Yerger wrote:
Earlier this year I joked about the inactivity of Click being due to its being the perfect
framework. The comments so far on this discussion illustrate why I made that joke. Click just
works if you're a Java-centric developer who prefers to rapidly build a Web application with
minimal HTML. However, I do believe Click has room for growth, and I would hate to see it retired
at this point. I would be on board to continue the project, but I would need some guidance on the
overall process. I hope others will join in too.
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Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] Retirement into the Attic
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 12:08:58 +1030
I agree with Mikhail at several points - Click works - its very basic, very usable and very stable
- and that is why it rocks. If I were after a bloatware web-framework there are endless number of
examples out there, but what I - and most probably the majority of us here - really need is a
simple and usable one.
Moreover, as it was pointed out well in several emails that the stalled development is probably
originated from the fact that the framework does what it needs to do without any hiccups. I
strongly believe that what works well and serve it purposes with high efficiency should not be
compromised, or made to work "even better".
Last but not least, should the framework goes to the attic, it wouldn't stop me using it in the
future. On the other hand I am sure that should the Attic will be the final decision - which is
not exactly the best way to promote any product - there will be several developers out there, who
will need an easy solution for web development and they will just start making their very
own simplistic stateless framework based on servlets and perhaps some open-source template engine,
which will essentially pretty similar to Apache Click. Correct me if I am wrong, but is this
really what ASF is likely to want from developers, reinventing the wheel? Probably not...
Thanks
Tamas
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Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Retirement into the Attic
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 11:39:14 +0400
Dear Chris,
I use Click for several apps for years. I started with 2.3.0 and now I use....
hm..... 2.3.0 ;)
There are number of reasons that makes this project different.
1. Not so many bugfixes as usual. Because it's JUST WORKS. Apps based on Click
are very stable.
2. Lack of activity in discussions, no documentation updates, no new examples. Because it's REALLY
SIMPLE. Look at Cheat Sheet pdf. It's the only documentation I read years ago. And that's enough.
3. No releases. Because it's PERFECT. It's minimal stateless framework for developers who needs
minimal stateless framework.
From the other side.
It's really no difference for me, for example, is the project retired or not. (Sorry) Because
framework is perfect and just works. Next project I will start I will use Click. I will not go to
Apache site for newest version. I will not use Wicket, for example. I already have one, that fits
my needs. So, I think Attic is not the place for Click. Attic is the place for projects with no
future. Click is the project with no further development. Maybe it's different things. For the
first 2-5 years.
Kind regards,
Mikhail Peresypkin
Среда, 18 сентября 2013, 11:00 -07:00 от Chris Mattmann <[email protected]>:
Dear Apache Click PMC,
Based on your board report for September 2013, I'm
starting a thread here on the dev list for retirement
of Apache Click.
If you have any opinions, for or against retirement,
please make them known. If discussion doesn't really
urge against retirement in the next week I'll call
an official [VOTE] thread with resolution to retire
the project to the Attic.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Cheers,
Chris
(on behalf of the Apache Board)
