If this gives us the github permissions we need, then we need to work with them to figure out the details...
*Will STEVENS* Lead Developer *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_ On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Jim Jagielski <j...@jagunet.com> wrote: > That sounds like a cop-out to me related to what's really going > on. > > > On Mar 17, 2016, at 12:03 PM, Tutkowski, Mike <mike.tutkow...@netapp.com> > wrote: > > > > As far as I understand, cloudstack/cloudstack is only being proposed to > help with developer workflow and CI. > > > > To my understanding, all code that goes in there will end up back in the > canonical ASF CloudStack repo (and, as such, be mirrored to > apache/cloudstack). > > > > This is simply a workaround to help solve developer workflow and CI > issues that we couldn't due to lack of privileges on the current repo. > > > > I do not believe anyone on the PMC is talking about forking CloudStack > and going off in a different direction. > > ________________________________________ > > From: Chris Mattmann <mattm...@apache.org> > > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 9:52 AM > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > > Subject: Re: External fork of Cloudstack (was Re: [GitHub] cloudstack > pull request: Is the project attempting a fork on Githu...) > > > > Hi Sebastien, > > > > > > [..] > >>> > >>> Hi Sebastien, > >>> > >>> Thanks for your reply and yes, I am a member of the ASF board. > >>> > >>> The thing is, there was already some discussion of this at the > >>> ASF board meeting that happened yesterday. I can tell you that > >>> there were more than a few board members that were a bit concerned > >>> at the prospect of Apache Cloudstack forking and starting a new > >>> GitHub organization, so I’m here now to discuss. > >> > >> We are not forking. In the sense that the canonical repo is at the ASF > >> and mirrored on apache/cloudstack. > > > > OK, good though based on the rest of your replies, I actually see > > the opposite being said. Also “we” is the relative word here, which > > I’ll get back to later in this message. > > > >> > >> The cloudstack org on github existed and was empty, one of us contacted > >> github and we got the “control” of it. > >> > >>> > >>> I’m sorry that you are unhappy with the lack of access to GitHub > >>> facilities, however I’m confused, the ASF does provide mirroring, > >>> active GitHub issue, > >> > >> As far as I know we cannot use github issues. > >> [..snip..] > >> To close PRs you need to make a commit. > > [..snip..] > >> Be able to use labels > >> Be able to setup our own triggers/hooks > > > > David Nalley can speak to this as I’m not sure if you can or > > cannot or if infra@ is providing this. Thanks for stating this. > > > >> > >> > >>> PMC desires and if so can you state that? I remember seeing a request > >>> that you wanted the ability to close pull requests and to be part of > >>> the experiment going on with the Whimsy PMC - > >> > >> Indeed, and I (we) never heard back. > > > > Right - that’s probably b/c it wasn’t discussed with the board > > until our last meeting which just happened yesterday. It’s > > my reading of the tea leaves that the experiment, while considered > > going in the right direction with Whimsy, is not open to other > > PMCs. It’s possible that we may as a board decide that further > > response is needed, but until that happens or if that doesn’t happen > > you can take my response until then. > > > >> [..snip..] > > > >> > >>> The other thing is - is the new Cloudstack GitHub organization the > >>> result of a subset of the PMC going off and doing this - > >> > >> I am not sure why you say subset. Let’s try to avoid polemics. > > > > I’m not trying to attack. > > > > I asked a simple question - how many/who in the Apache CloudStack PMC > > is intent on using this new Cloudstack GitHub organization? Not an > > attack, a question that I still don’t have an answer to. > > > > I also wanted to gauge whether there are others on the PMC that will > > speak up. I’ll continue waiting to hear more about that. > > > >> [..snip..] > >> Again, this is not about leaving the ASF. This is about accessing > >> productive tools and making use of them to their fullest. > >> > >>> Finally, as for the Apache Cloudstack PMC - for the PMC the policy of > >>> the ASF is that the canonical repository at the moment is on ASF > >>> hardware. > >> > >> And we would like the ASF to reconsider this. > > > > Put bluntly, the decision is no, and it is in the hands of the ASF Infra@ > > and based on > > discussions I’ve seen on public lists there and on board@ and part of > the > > board > > meeting yesterday, Infra@ is not opening up the Whimsy experiment to > other > > PMCs > > as of yet. They aren’t ready to declare an SLA; they aren’t ready for > > potential > > other PMCs to ask to use it too and for others to start thinking that > > capability > > is anything near operational. David Nalley can fill in more. > > > >> > >>> There are not any approved policies for external forks being the > >>> canonical > >>> repo, especially those in another GitHub organization not managed by > the > >>> ASF. There is an experiment in the Apache Whimsy PMC to experiment with > >>> GitHub as the canonical repo for an apache/* org project. That is still > >>> an > >>> experiment and not widely offered by ASF infra to all PMCs. > >>> > >> > >> Are other projects than Whimsy being allowed to experiment ? > > > > Not at this time. > > > >> [..snip..] > >>> > >> > >> And just to clarify, you are acting here as “the board” ? Meaning the > >> board asked you to get on dev@ and talk with our community after seeing > >> our report ? > >> I am asking because the PMC has not received an official response from > >> the board based on our report (and annexed interim report). > > > > I am one of 9 Directors, but I believe if you’d like to test the waters > > that > > I have support of other board members in asking these questions based on > > the > > meetings yesterday. And as one of the Directors of the board and a > > long-time > > ASF’er, I’m here also as a concerned member since some actions that I > have > > seen > > by Cloudstack related to this GitHub external organization imply to me > > that there > > is something more than meets the eye here. > > > > Let’s keep discussing, hopefully with more participation from the > > community besides > > the two of us. > > > > Cheers, > > Chris > > > >> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Chris > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Sebastien Goasguen <run...@gmail.com> > >>> Reply-To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org" <dev@cloudstack.apache.org> > >>> Date: Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 3:15 AM > >>> To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org" <dev@cloudstack.apache.org> > >>> Subject: Re: External fork of Cloudstack (was Re: [GitHub] cloudstack > >>> pull > >>> request: Is the project attempting a fork on Githu...) > >>> > >>>> Hi Chris, > >>>> > >>>> We have never met but i recognize your name from members only ASF > >>>> threads. > >>>> > >>>> For the benefit of others on this list it is useful to mention that > you > >>>> are a member of the ASF board. > >>>> > >>>> The PMC has filed its quarterly report for march, as well as an > >>>> interim > >>>> report about a month ago. The interim report was acknowledged by Sam > >>>> Ruby > >>>> couple days ago only. > >>>> > >>>> I am assuming that the board will discuss it at its monthly meeting > and > >>>> that we will hear from the board then. > >>>> > >>>> Other than that the discussions are active on dev@ , but roughly we > >>>> feel > >>>> that we are being hurt by lack of access to github facilities. > >>>> > >>>> Best, > >>>> > >>>> -Sebastien > >>>> > >>>>> On 17 Mar 2016, at 00:04, Chris Mattmann <mattm...@apache.org> > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi, > >>>>> > >>>>> Sorry about my crude way of filing a PR for this, but I heard > >>>>> information about the Apache Cloudstack PMC actively > >>>>> discussing managing the project with GitHub as the primary source > >>>>> in a different organization than the github.com/apache/ org. > >>>>> > >>>>> Can someone clarify this for me? Clearly wearing my board hat, > >>>>> this is not something we allow for any of our ASF projects. > >>>>> > >>>>> Cheers, > >>>>> Chris “board hat on” Mattmann > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > >
