Feel free to do it, I wouldn't know where to begin to ask such a question tbh :-)
-- Erik On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 12:51 AM, Will Stevens <williamstev...@gmail.com> wrote: > Erik, yes I think this is the right approach and covers the main problem > case. I can start the conversation with infra unless you would like to. Let > me know. > > We did get some statistics from the other mirrors last year, but I don't > think we ever had visibility into the cloud.com repository traffic. > > On Mar 3, 2017 6:42 PM, "Erik Weber" <terbol...@gmail.com> wrote: > > It'll most likely only be an issue in the case where a mirror goes > down without any immediate chance of getting back up, right? > Could we check with ASF Infra beforehand if such case is OK to warrant > an urgent Jira ticket to resolve - should it happen? > > We can document all the mirrors and provide the howtos for manually > downloading and seeding the image as a backup. > > Do we have any traffic statistics for the current solution, or is that > not available at S3? > > -- > Erik > > On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 12:28 AM, Will Stevens <williamstev...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> Yes Erik, I agree with you. The only thing that could add complexity in >> this is the fact that we don't control the domain, the ASF does (from what >> I understand). Do we expect this to be managed by ASF infra or would > there >> be another way? Ideally the domain is community controlled so we can adapt >> in case of change without long delays. >> >> I am 100% in agreement that this is the shortest path and likely to be > good >> enough. >> >> On Mar 3, 2017 6:19 PM, "Erik Weber" <terbol...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> IMHO; implement it as simple as possible, use DNS RR and assume/expect >> mirror hosts to use the same path. >> >> >> Yes I know; DNS RR isn't bulletproof, but as already mentioned in this >> thread - mirrors rarely go down and they aren't used all that often >> (primarily seeding). >> We can keep a low TTL on the record so that we're able to remove a >> mirror that goes down for a significant period of time (more than >> hours). >> >> And yes I know, some operators might find it a burden having to set up >> a new vhost with another document root, but tbh if they don't care >> enough to do it we'll manage without that mirror. >> >> -- >> Erik >> >> On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 12:09 AM, Will Stevens <williamstev...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> I agree with Paul. Look at the list of things they have to >>> learn/master/care about. We don't want to add to that list, we want to >>> remove from that list. Make the project/product more accessible. Reduce >> the >>> barrier to entry... >>> >>> On Mar 3, 2017 5:50 PM, "Chiradeep Vittal" <chirade...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Seriously? >>>> apt-get install apache2 >>>> >>>> To install CloudStack, they need to know >>>> - DB installation, perhaps some SQL >>>> - VLAN configuration on their switches >>>> - Ins-and-outs between port forwarding, static ips, >>>> - NFS >>>> - package management >>>> - VHDs, qcow2. vmdk >>>> - hyperviosrs >>>> - and on and on. >>>> >>>> If they can figure all that out and not figure out a web server, they > can >>>> always come to the mailing list. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 1:45 PM, Paul Angus <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> > The issue is not with supporting highly experienced cloud operators. > It >>>> is >>>> > an issue for new users and other 'relatively' inexperienced operators. >>>> > >>>> > I have helped enough newbies and cloud operators who have been running >>>> > their cloud for a while to know that the barriers to entry are too > high >>>> as >>>> > they are. And telling anyone that they need to create a web server so >>>> that >>>> > they can add their initial template to get started or in order to >> create >>>> a >>>> > new zone, just isn't going to fly. >>>> > >>>> > I'm a huge advocate of the 'download.cloudstack.org' endpoint which > the >>>> > community can add/remove mirrors to or from for system VMs or built-in >>>> > templates. Can the same system be used for binary repos ? although >> there >>>> > is an added complication of redist vs no-redist there... >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > paul.an...@shapeblue.com >>>> > www.shapeblue.com >>>> > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London WC2N 4HSUK >>>> > @shapeblue >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>> > From: Chiradeep Vittal [mailto:chirade...@gmail.com] >>>> > Sent: 03 March 2017 18:28 >>>> > To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org> >>>> > Subject: Re: Modern template hosting >>>> > >>>> > I do feel like this is early optimization. Mirrors rarely fail. I'd >>>> expect >>>> > a single web server hosted on Apache Infra without any monitors to > fail >>>> > more often than a mirror. We already expect Wido's systemvm repository >> to >>>> > be up all the time. And it has been. Similarly, I don't believe Nux's >>>> > repository has ever been down. And if Accelerite wants to host on S3, >>>> that >>>> > one is pretty solid as well. >>>> > >>>> > This is an infrequent operation in a cloud. After the cloud is >> installed, >>>> > the download servers are only needed for a new zone. If we trust the >> user >>>> > to run a cloud, surely he/she can run a web server to serve some >> built-in >>>> > templates. And if her cloud is successful, she needs to figure out how >> to >>>> > host her templates anyway and not rely on 3rd parties. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 9:31 AM, Will Stevens <wstev...@cloudops.com> >>>> > wrote: >>>> > >>>> > > 1) If the legacy implementations do not support redirects, that does >>>> > > cause a problem. A potential solution in that case is to have the >> web >>>> > > server actually proxy the download, but that is not ideal and I > would >>>> > > like to avoid it if possible. Thanks for bringing that up > Chiradeep. >>>> > > >>>> > > 2) I think we need to have a single URL which people can target. >> Once >>>> > > they make the switch to the new URL, we want the implementation to > be >>>> > > able to handle mirror failures without affecting the end client. We >>>> > > want to avoid the situation where an ACS user will ever have to >> change >>>> > > this URL more than once. Mirror failures SHOULD NOT affect the ACS >>>> > > users assuming there is still at least one mirror who can serve the >>>> > requested resource. >>>> > > >>>> > > These are obviously my personal opinions and others will probably >> have >>>> > > differing opinions. >>>> > > >>>> > > *Will STEVENS* >>>> > > Lead Developer >>>> > > >>>> > > <https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK> >>>> > > >>>> > > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Chiradeep Vittal >>>> > > <chirade...@gmail.com> >>>> > > wrote: >>>> > > >>>> > > > 1. If you are targeting legacy installations, they are not able to >>>> > > > follow redirects. The line of code that added this capability was >>>> > > > added on >>>> > > 11/16. >>>> > > > 2. If you trust the users to edit the database to change the URL, >>>> > > > you can trust them to change it to anything. Just document a known >>>> > > > list of good template locations. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 8:13 AM, Will Stevens < > wstev...@cloudops.com >>> >>>> > > > wrote: >>>> > > > >>>> > > > > So the main issue I see with this is the following. >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > This implementation is designed to target legacy installations >>>> > > > > which >>>> > > will >>>> > > > > be affected when download.cloud.com disappears. These people >> will >>>> > > need >>>> > > > to >>>> > > > > make a DB change to replace the 'download.cloud.com' with some >>>> > > > > other >>>> > > url >>>> > > > > (maybe 'download.cloudstack.org'). Once the DB has been > updated, >>>> > > > > we >>>> > > can >>>> > > > > not expect anything else of the client, they need to be able to >>>> > > > > just continue operation as they were without any need to rebuild >>>> > > > > or upgrade their ACS. >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > If we try to force the decision to the client, then we break the >>>> > > > > legacy implementations. Since the SSVM is likely going to be > the >>>> > > > > client in >>>> > > some >>>> > > > > cases, and since it does not already have the logic to handle > the >>>> > > > > 300 approach correctly, I feel like it is not a viable solution >>>> > > > > for the >>>> > > > legacy >>>> > > > > deployments. >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > In addition to that. I don't think the client is in any better >>>> > > position >>>> > > > to >>>> > > > > make the mirror decision than I am. I am likely able to make a >>>> > > > > more 'educated' decision than the client would be able to > because >>>> > > > > I can do different tests on the endpoint(s) before making a > final >>>> > decision. >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > Does this make sense or am I missing something obvious? >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > *Will STEVENS* >>>> > > > > Lead Developer >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > <https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK> >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Rafael Weingärtner < >>>> > > > > rafaelweingart...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > > I think I understood you, but I did not understand you. >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > Let me see if I can create an example to illustrate how we >> could >>>> > > > > > do >>>> > > > using >>>> > > > > > the HTTP 300 code. >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > The HTTP 300 code indicates clients that he/she/it has > multiple >>>> > > choices >>>> > > > > to >>>> > > > > > access the requested resource. If the request is a HEAD, this >> is >>>> > > > > > the >>>> > > > only >>>> > > > > > thing that the server returns. If the request if a GET, then >> the >>>> > > server >>>> > > > > > returns the choices for the client. The response type is >> defined >>>> > > > > > on >>>> > > the >>>> > > > > > server based on the Content-Type, user agent and others. >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > Let’s say the server receives a GET request and informs the >>>> > > > content-type >>>> > > > > as >>>> > > > > > JSON (application/JSON). Your application could get the > mirrors >>>> > > > > > list, >>>> > > > do >>>> > > > > > the appending process for the requested resource path, and > then >>>> > > return >>>> > > > a >>>> > > > > > JSON array with the possible mirror the client can use. Then, >>>> > > > > > the >>>> > > > client >>>> > > > > > gets this list and does the processing required to select a >>>> mirror. >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > Now let’s say that a human access the link using a browser. >>>> > > > > > Then, the server should receive something like (text/plain) as >>>> > > > > > the >>>> > > content-type; >>>> > > > I >>>> > > > > > think depending on the browser this field may differ a little >>>> > > > > > (it >>>> > > would >>>> > > > > > require some checking). Anyways, the server detects that it is >> a >>>> > > > “human” >>>> > > > > > requesting the resource, then we could serve an HTML page with >> a >>>> > > > > Javascript >>>> > > > > > that uses the mirror list. This Javascript could do some >>>> > > > > > checking and choose the best mirror for that specific. >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > Why do I think this approach is interesting? >>>> > > > > > The application you developed would be used only to retrieve >>>> > > > > > valid >>>> > > and >>>> > > > > > trusted sources of system VM images (a trusted repository for >>>> > > > > > mirrors >>>> > > > > that >>>> > > > > > we as a community vouch for). Also, we shift the decision >>>> > > > > > process regarding mirrors from the server to the client. Then, >>>> > > > > > it is up to >>>> > > > > clients >>>> > > > > > to select mirrors, and not up to us (or some of our >>>> > implementations). >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > Did this help? >>>> > > > > > BTW: I am not saying I am against the way you proposed, which >>>> > > > > > would >>>> > > > work >>>> > > > > > fine. It is merely a suggestion using a different perspective. >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Will Stevens < >>>> > > > williamstev...@gmail.com> >>>> > > > > > wrote: >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > @rafael: in general, I don't think the client should ever be >>>> > > making a >>>> > > > > > > choice about a mirror. We have to assume we are working with >> a >>>> > > > scripted >>>> > > > > > > application and anything hard coded in that implementation > on >>>> > > > > > > the >>>> > > > > client >>>> > > > > > > side is a risk. >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > I may not be understanding the use of the 300 approach, so I >>>> > > > > > > will >>>> > > > > > research >>>> > > > > > > it to see if I can make it fit. >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > On Mar 3, 2017 9:59 AM, "Rafael Weingärtner" < >>>> > > > > > rafaelweingart...@gmail.com> >>>> > > > > > > wrote: >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > Will great job. >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > I had the same doubt as Daan. >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > Have you considered using HTTP 300 working mode? Then, we >>>> > > > > > > could let >>>> > > > the >>>> > > > > > > client decide which mirror is the best(closest?). Section >>>> > “10.3.1” >>>> > > of >>>> > > > > [1] >>>> > > > > > > talks about it; this would put the pressure on deciding upon >> a >>>> > > mirror >>>> > > > > on >>>> > > > > > > the client side, but I think it would be fair. >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > [1] https://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec10.html >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > PS: You really like very short variables names! >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 1:24 AM, Daan Hoogland < >>>> > > > > > daan.hoogl...@shapeblue.com >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > wrote: >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > Nice little thing Will, >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > One question: if I read the code correctly it ‘go’es and >>>> > > > > > > > tries >>>> > > all >>>> > > > > > > mirrors >>>> > > > > > > > at once and whichever responses first is redirected to the >>>> > > client. >>>> > > > > This >>>> > > > > > > > might well be the same every time. This might be the one >>>> > > > > > > > closest >>>> > > to >>>> > > > > the >>>> > > > > > > > mirror302 and not to the client. Is that correct or did I >>>> > > > > > > > miss a >>>> > > > > > weighing >>>> > > > > > > > algorithm hidden in there? >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > Good coding, >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > On 03/03/17 00:23, "Will Stevens" <sw...@apache.org> > wrote: >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > Hey All, >>>> > > > > > > > Please review this repo and tell me what you think: >>>> > > > > > > > https://github.com/swill/mirror302 >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > Let me know if you have questions or you would like me >>>> > > > > > > > to >>>> > > make >>>> > > > > > > changes >>>> > > > > > > > before I bring this topic up with ASF Infra and open a >>>> > > > > > > > ticket >>>> > > > to >>>> > > > > > get >>>> > > > > > > > this >>>> > > > > > > > implemented. >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > Cheers, >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > *Will Stevens* >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Will Stevens < >>>> > > > > > wstev...@cloudops.com >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > wrote: >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > I am building a short term solution right now. I >>>> > > > > > > > hopefully >>>> > > > > will >>>> > > > > > > > have the >>>> > > > > > > > > building blocks in place by the weekend so we can >>>> > > > > > > > start >>>> > > > working >>>> > > > > > > with >>>> > > > > > > > Infra >>>> > > > > > > > > to get it in place. >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > We will have a web server which we can point >> something >>>> > like >>>> > > > > > > > > downloads.cloudstack.org (or whatever url) at. Then >>>> > > > > > > > we >>>> > > will >>>> > > > > > have >>>> > > > > > > > an ASF >>>> > > > > > > > > repo which tracks a mirror list and exposes a static >>>> > > > > > > > site >>>> > > to >>>> > > > be >>>> > > > > > > able >>>> > > > > > > > to >>>> > > > > > > > > query the mirror list. >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > The web server will receive a request and will do a >>>> > > > > > > > 302 >>>> > > > > redirect >>>> > > > > > to >>>> > > > > > > > the >>>> > > > > > > > > appropriate resource on one of the mirrors. >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > This gets us started. Legacy environments will have >>>> > > > > > > > to do >>>> > > a >>>> > > > DB >>>> > > > > > > > change to >>>> > > > > > > > > change from 'download.cloud.com' to ' >>>> > > > downloads.cloudstack.org' >>>> > > > > > (or >>>> > > > > > > > > whatever), but otherwise it should be pretty simple. >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > We can improve how we deliver templates going >> forward, >>>> > > > > > > > but >>>> > > > this >>>> > > > > > > > obviously >>>> > > > > > > > > requires some discussion still. I will try to buy > us >>>> > > > > > > > some >>>> > > > time >>>> > > > > > > with >>>> > > > > > > > an >>>> > > > > > > > > implementation which solves our problems today... >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > *Will STEVENS* >>>> > > > > > > > > Lead Developer >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > <https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK> >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 7:52 AM, Abhinandan Prateek < >>>> > > > > > > > > abhinandan.prat...@shapeblue.com> wrote: >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>>> > > > > > > > >> Initial seeding is a manual step and that is not >>>> > > > > > > > going to >>>> > > > > change >>>> > > > > > > in >>>> > > > > > > > near >>>> > > > > > > > >> future. A handy list of official places from where >>>> > > > > > > > these >>>> > > > > > templates >>>> > > > > > > > can be >>>> > > > > > > > >> downloaded won’t harm this part of the > installation. >>>> > > > > > > > Just >>>> > > > > allow >>>> > > > > > > > anyone >>>> > > > > > > > >> credible who follows democratic process to publish >>>> > > > > > > > their >>>> > > > > > templates >>>> > > > > > > > with >>>> > > > > > > > >> apache’s blessings. >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>>> > > > > > > > >> Coming to urls hard coded in db, the popular >>>> > > > > > > > suggestion is >>>> > > > to >>>> > > > > > > point >>>> > > > > > > > them >>>> > > > > > > > >> to mirrors. This looks good but this is going to >> take >>>> > > > > > > > some >>>> > > > > > effort >>>> > > > > > > > that has >>>> > > > > > > > >> not materialised yet. Once this change is made it >>>> > > > > > > > will be >>>> > > > > going >>>> > > > > > in >>>> > > > > > > > some >>>> > > > > > > > >> future release like 4.11; the problem still remains >>>> > > > > > > > for >>>> > > the >>>> > > > > > > > releases that >>>> > > > > > > > >> are already out there. In case access to >>>> > > download.cloud.com >>>> > > > > is >>>> > > > > > > > dropped >>>> > > > > > > > >> at some point we will have to document the > procedure >>>> > > > > > > > such >>>> > > > that >>>> > > > > > > > people know >>>> > > > > > > > >> how to make these stable releases work. That is >> where >>>> > > > > > > > the >>>> > > > > > > procedure >>>> > > > > > > > >> documented here https://shankerbalan.net/blog/ >>>> > > > > > > > >> seed-cloudstack-templates-offline/ should be >>>> > > > > > > > officially >>>> > > > > adapted >>>> > > > > > > > with a >>>> > > > > > > > >> marketplace to pick up templates of choosing. Maybe >>>> > > > > > > > we can >>>> > > > > have >>>> > > > > > a >>>> > > > > > > > pre-setup >>>> > > > > > > > >> script to make choices instead of written wiki. > Note >>>> > > > > > > > that >>>> > > > this >>>> > > > > > > will >>>> > > > > > > > be >>>> > > > > > > > >> anyway needed by the older releases. >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>>> > > > > > > > >> On 01/03/17, 4:24 PM, "Paul Angus" < >>>> > > > paul.an...@shapeblue.com> >>>> > > > > > > > wrote: >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>>> > > > > > > > >> >-1 >>>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >We are trying to get MORE people to use > CloudStack. >>>> > > > > > > > And >>>> > > > > > raising >>>> > > > > > > > the >>>> > > > > > > > >> barrier to entry does nothing to help that. >>>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >Kind regards, >>>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >Paul Angus >>>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >paul.an...@shapeblue.com >>>> > > > > > > > >> >www.shapeblue.com >>>> > > > > > > > >> >53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London WC2N > 4HSUK >>>> > > > > > > > >> >@shapeblue >>>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >-----Original Message----- >>>> > > > > > > > >> >From: Abhinandan Prateek [mailto: >> abhinandan.prateek@ >>>> > > > > > > shapeblue.com] >>>> > > > > > > > >> >Sent: 01 March 2017 09:39 >>>> > > > > > > > >> >To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org >>>> > > > > > > > >> >Subject: Re: Modern template hosting >>>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >+1 >>>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >After seeing this discussion running in circles >>>> > > > > > > > several >>>> > > > > times, >>>> > > > > > I >>>> > > > > > > > think >>>> > > > > > > > >> we should at least get started with the simplest >>>> option. >>>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >On 27/02/17, 11:54 PM, "Chiradeep Vittal" < >>>> > > > > > chirade...@gmail.com> >>>> > > > > > > > wrote: >>>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>The alternative foolproof way is to simply not >>>> > > > > > > > provide >>>> > > the >>>> > > > > > > > automatic >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>download. >>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>Just document the mirror list URL where the >>>> > > > > > > > templates >>>> > > can >>>> > > > be >>>> > > > > > > > found. I >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>don't know why people reject this option. >>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>https://shankerbalan.net/blog/seed-cloudstack- >>>> > > > > > > templates-offline/ >>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Will Stevens >>>> > > > > > > > >> >><williamstev...@gmail.com> >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>wrote: >>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> OK. Thanks for the heads up. >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> On Feb 27, 2017 1:08 PM, "Chiradeep Vittal" < >>>> > > > > > > > chirade...@gmail.com> >>>> > > > > > > > >> wrote: >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > Sounds workable. The downloader code in the >>>> > > > > > > > SSVM >>>> > > won't >>>> > > > > > > follow >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > redirects I think. >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/blob/ >>>> > > > > > > 5511065fc20787619d >>>> > > > > > > > 9cd0444 >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > a65a3 155fc9c921/core/src/com/cloud/ >>>> > > storage/template/ >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > HttpTemplateDownloader.java#L93 >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > https://goo.gl/dSi0r5 >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > Might need to add >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > client.setRedirectStrategy(new >>>> > > LaxRedirectStrategy()); >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 9:57 AM, Will Stevens >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > <wstev...@cloudops.com> >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > wrote: >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > We haven't opened a ticket yet because we >>>> > > > > > > > don't >>>> > > > have a >>>> > > > > > > > strategy >>>> > > > > > > > >> yet. >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > What do you guys think of this: >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > - We setup a new github repo in the > 'apache' >>>> > > > > > > > org >>>> > > > which >>>> > > > > > > > consists >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > of a >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > single >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > file with a list of active/supported >> mirrors. >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > - I write a small web server, distributed > as >>>> > > > > > > > a >>>> > > > binary, >>>> > > > > > > > which can >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > be >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > hosted >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > by ASF Infra. This web server will query >> the >>>> > > > current >>>> > > > > > list >>>> > > > > > > > of >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > mirrors >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> and >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > will select one and then do a 302 redirect >> to >>>> > > > > > > > that >>>> > > > > > mirror. >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > The act of 'choosing' a mirror could be > done >>>> > > > > > > > in a >>>> > > > > number >>>> > > > > > > of >>>> > > > > > > > ways. >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > - If we want to define an order, then it >>>> > > > > > > > could >>>> > > just >>>> > > > > try >>>> > > > > > > > from the >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > top of >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > the >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > list and work its way down. It would curl >>>> > > > > > > > the >>>> > > > target >>>> > > > > to >>>> > > > > > > > make >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > sure it >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > gets >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > a 200 and if it does, it would do a 302 >>>> > redirect. >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > - Or, if we want to distribute the load >>>> > > > > > > > across the >>>> > > > > > > mirrors, >>>> > > > > > > > we >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > could >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> pick >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > from the list randomly. Again, doing a > curl >>>> > > > > > > > to >>>> > > > verify >>>> > > > > > the >>>> > > > > > > > mirror >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > is up >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > and >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > then doing a redirect. >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > - If we want to get fancy, we could do a >>>> > > > > > > > reverse >>>> > > IP >>>> > > > > > lookup >>>> > > > > > > > and >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > try to >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > match >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > the requester with their closest >> geographical >>>> > > > mirror. >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > Thoughts? >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > *Will STEVENS* >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > Lead Developer >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > <https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK> >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Chiradeep >>>> > > Vittal < >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> chirade...@gmail.com >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > wrote: >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > What steps are needed to set up a mirror? >>>> > > > > > > > What >>>> > > > does >>>> > > > > > > Infra >>>> > > > > > > > need >>>> > > > > > > > >> to do? >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > Has >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > anybody filed a ticket with Infra? >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 10:17 PM, Raja >>>> > Pullela < >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > raja.pull...@accelerite.com> >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > wrote: >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > Hi will, >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > I believe, we didn’t get to close >>>> > > > > > > > ‘getting a >>>> > > > > mirror >>>> > > > > > on >>>> > > > > > > > Apache’ >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > because >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > we >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > needed someone on the Apache Infra side >>>> > > > > > > > to >>>> > > close >>>> > > > > > this. >>>> > > > > > > > BTW, >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > cloudstack-apt.get.eu (I think Nux >>>> > > > > > > > manages >>>> > > > this?) >>>> > > > > > has >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > all/most of >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > the >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > content. Once we can close on the >> Apache >>>> > > mirror >>>> > > > > for >>>> > > > > > > > hosting >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > the >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > content, I >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > can help assist getting the content >> there. >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > For now, we have replicated the >>>> > > > > download.cloud.com >>>> > > > > > > > content to >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > ‘ s3.download.accelerite.com’. >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > Also, we are working on a set of >>>> > > steps/procedure >>>> > > > > to >>>> > > > > > > > help with >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > this change. I will update everyone in >>>> > > > > > > > about >>>> > > a >>>> > > > > > week’s >>>> > > > > > > > time >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > on the >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > details. >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > Best, >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > Raja Pullela >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > Engineering Team, >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > Accelerite, 2055 Laurelwood Road, Santa >>>> > > > > > > > Clara, >>>> > > > CA, >>>> > > > > > > 95054 >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > On 2/24/17, 11:23 PM, " >>>> > > williamstev...@gmail.com >>>> > > > > on >>>> > > > > > > > behalf of >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > Will Stevens" <williamstev...@gmail.com >>>> > > > > > > > on >>>> > > > behalf >>>> > > > > > of >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > wstev...@cloudops.com> >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > wrote: >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > unfortunately the template mirror >>>> > > > > > > > conversation >>>> > > > got >>>> > > > > > > > caught up >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > in >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > details >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > and >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > nobody took the lead on implementing a >>>> > > solution. >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > citrix has been pinging me every couple >>>> > > > > > > > months >>>> > > > to >>>> > > > > > say >>>> > > > > > > > 'dude, >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > we >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> need >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > to >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > remove the dependency on >>>> > > > > > > > download.citrix.com >>>> > > ', >>>> > > > > but >>>> > > > > > i >>>> > > > > > > > have not >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > had >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > the >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > cycles to get in and solve the problem. >>>> > > > > > > > the >>>> > > > > > shutdown >>>> > > > > > > > of that >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > is >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > imminent >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > right now, so we need to solve it asap. >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > *Will STEVENS* >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > Lead Developer >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > <https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK> >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Paul >>>> > Angus < >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > paul.an...@shapeblue.com >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > wrote: >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > Hi Nathan, >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > Ideally, if you put the template >>>> > > > > > > > location in >>>> > > > (or >>>> > > > > > use >>>> > > > > > > a >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > template >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > defined >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > in) test_data.py then the actual >>>> > > > > > > > location >>>> > > can >>>> > > > > be >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > overridden by >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > anyone >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > testing. >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > For Trillian, we've copied all of the >>>> > > > templates >>>> > > > > > that >>>> > > > > > > > people >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > have >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > define >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > to >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > a local repo and then replace the > URLs >>>> > > > > > > > in test_data.py to >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > reduce >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > bandwidth >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > use and download times. >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > Ie: >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > "bootableIso": >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > { >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > "displaytext": >> "Test >>>> > > > > Bootable >>>> > > > > > > > ISO", >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > "name": > "testISO", >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > "bootable": True, >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > "ispublic": > False, >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > "url": "{{ >>>> > > > > > > marvin_images_location >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > }}/TinyCore-current.iso", >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > "ostype": 'Other >>>> Linux >>>> > > > > > > (64-bit)', >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > "mode": >>>> > 'HTTP_DOWNLOAD' >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > }, >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > I thought that we had come up with a >>>> > > solution >>>> > > > > for >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > download.cloud.com >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > , >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > by >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > having a mirrorlist hosted in >> Community >>>> > > Apache >>>> > > > > > > > 'space' with >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> anyone >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > able >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > to >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > out themselves forward as a mirror. >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > But I must admit I lost track of >>>> > > > > > > > whether >>>> > > > anyone >>>> > > > > > made >>>> > > > > > > > the >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> requisite >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > changes >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > in code.... >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > Kind regards, >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > Paul Angus >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > paul.an...@shapeblue.com >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > www.shapeblue.com >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, >> London >>>> > > WC2N >>>> > > > > > 4HSUK >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > @shapeblue >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > -----Original Message----- >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > From: williamstev...@gmail.com >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > On >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > Behalf Of Will Stevens >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > Sent: 24 February 2017 16:30 >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > Subject: Re: Modern template hosting >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > this is a hard questions. in > general, >>>> > > > > > > > we >>>> > > > should >>>> > > > > > be >>>> > > > > > > > setting >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > up a >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > mirror >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > on >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > some cloudstack/apache domain and > then >>>> > > mirror >>>> > > > to >>>> > > > > > > other >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > provided >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > templates. >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > we MUST come up with a solution to >>>> > deprecate >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > 'download.cloud.com >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> ', >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > that >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > is going to be going away any day > now. >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > i don't know the right way to solve >>>> > > > > > > > this to >>>> > > be >>>> > > > > > > > honest, but >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > if you >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > have >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > ideas, i am willing to help. >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > *Will STEVENS* >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > Lead Developer >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > <https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK> >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 11:25 AM, >>>> > > > > > > > Nathan >>>> > > > > Johnson < >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> njohn...@ena.com >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > wrote: >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > So not to re-open a can of worms, >> but >>>> > > > > > > > I’m >>>> > > > in a >>>> > > > > > > > situation >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > where >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> I >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > need >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > to come up with a Marvin component >>>> > > > > > > > test >>>> > > that >>>> > > > > > > > depends on a >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > template >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > based on a kernel that’s relatively >>>> > > > > > > > new, >>>> > > > i.e., >>>> > > > > > > > newer than >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> Centos >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > 5.3 >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > / >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > Ubuntu 10.04 . >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > I see openvm.eu has a suitable >>>> > > > > > > > template >>>> > > > > (Ubuntu >>>> > > > > > > > 16.0.4 >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > for >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> KVM), >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > but >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > from looking at the thread >> "Migrating >>>> > > > > CloudStack >>>> > > > > > > > content >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > from download.cloud.com” it looks >>>> > > > > > > > like >>>> > > > there >>>> > > > > is >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > resistance to using >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > this >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > at >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > least for hosting system vm >> templates >>>> > > > > > > > over >>>> > > > > > > concerns >>>> > > > > > > > of >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > neutrality. >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > Would this be suitable for a >>>> > > > > > > > component >>>> > > test? >>>> > > > > If >>>> > > > > > > > not, >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > what is a >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > “blessed” >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > template location? >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > Thanks in advance! >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > Nathan Johnson >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > R&D Engineer >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > 618 Grassmere Park Drive, Suite 12 >>>> > > > Nashville, >>>> > > > > TN >>>> > > > > > > > 37211 >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > General Office: 615-312-6000 >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > website | blog | support >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > DISCLAIMER >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > ========== >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > This e-mail may contain privileged and >>>> > > > > confidential >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > information >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> which >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > is >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > the property of Accelerite, a > Persistent >>>> > > Systems >>>> > > > > > > > business. It >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > is >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > intended >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > only for the use of the individual or >>>> > > > > > > > entity >>>> > > to >>>> > > > > > which >>>> > > > > > > > it is >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > addressed. >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > If >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > you are not the intended recipient, you >>>> > > > > > > > are >>>> > > not >>>> > > > > > > > authorized to >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > read, >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > retain, >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > copy, print, distribute or use this >>>> message. >>>> > > If >>>> > > > > you >>>> > > > > > > have >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > received >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > this >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > communication in error, please notify >> the >>>> > > sender >>>> > > > > and >>>> > > > > > > > delete >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > all >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > copies >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > of >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > this message. 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