I will be guessing and we will see what I can come up with. :) On Mar 3, 2017 7:09 PM, "Erik Weber" <terbol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Feel free to do it, I wouldn't know where to begin to ask such a > question tbh :-) > > -- > Erik > > On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 12:51 AM, Will Stevens <williamstev...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Erik, yes I think this is the right approach and covers the main problem > > case. I can start the conversation with infra unless you would like to. > Let > > me know. > > > > We did get some statistics from the other mirrors last year, but I don't > > think we ever had visibility into the cloud.com repository traffic. > > > > On Mar 3, 2017 6:42 PM, "Erik Weber" <terbol...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > It'll most likely only be an issue in the case where a mirror goes > > down without any immediate chance of getting back up, right? > > Could we check with ASF Infra beforehand if such case is OK to warrant > > an urgent Jira ticket to resolve - should it happen? > > > > We can document all the mirrors and provide the howtos for manually > > downloading and seeding the image as a backup. > > > > Do we have any traffic statistics for the current solution, or is that > > not available at S3? > > > > -- > > Erik > > > > On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 12:28 AM, Will Stevens <williamstev...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> Yes Erik, I agree with you. The only thing that could add complexity in > >> this is the fact that we don't control the domain, the ASF does (from > what > >> I understand). Do we expect this to be managed by ASF infra or would > > there > >> be another way? Ideally the domain is community controlled so we can > adapt > >> in case of change without long delays. > >> > >> I am 100% in agreement that this is the shortest path and likely to be > > good > >> enough. > >> > >> On Mar 3, 2017 6:19 PM, "Erik Weber" <terbol...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> IMHO; implement it as simple as possible, use DNS RR and assume/expect > >> mirror hosts to use the same path. > >> > >> > >> Yes I know; DNS RR isn't bulletproof, but as already mentioned in this > >> thread - mirrors rarely go down and they aren't used all that often > >> (primarily seeding). > >> We can keep a low TTL on the record so that we're able to remove a > >> mirror that goes down for a significant period of time (more than > >> hours). > >> > >> And yes I know, some operators might find it a burden having to set up > >> a new vhost with another document root, but tbh if they don't care > >> enough to do it we'll manage without that mirror. > >> > >> -- > >> Erik > >> > >> On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 12:09 AM, Will Stevens <williamstev...@gmail.com > > > >> wrote: > >>> I agree with Paul. Look at the list of things they have to > >>> learn/master/care about. We don't want to add to that list, we want to > >>> remove from that list. Make the project/product more accessible. Reduce > >> the > >>> barrier to entry... > >>> > >>> On Mar 3, 2017 5:50 PM, "Chiradeep Vittal" <chirade...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>>> Seriously? > >>>> apt-get install apache2 > >>>> > >>>> To install CloudStack, they need to know > >>>> - DB installation, perhaps some SQL > >>>> - VLAN configuration on their switches > >>>> - Ins-and-outs between port forwarding, static ips, > >>>> - NFS > >>>> - package management > >>>> - VHDs, qcow2. vmdk > >>>> - hyperviosrs > >>>> - and on and on. > >>>> > >>>> If they can figure all that out and not figure out a web server, they > > can > >>>> always come to the mailing list. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 1:45 PM, Paul Angus <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > The issue is not with supporting highly experienced cloud operators. > > It > >>>> is > >>>> > an issue for new users and other 'relatively' inexperienced > operators. > >>>> > > >>>> > I have helped enough newbies and cloud operators who have been > running > >>>> > their cloud for a while to know that the barriers to entry are too > > high > >>>> as > >>>> > they are. And telling anyone that they need to create a web server > so > >>>> that > >>>> > they can add their initial template to get started or in order to > >> create > >>>> a > >>>> > new zone, just isn't going to fly. > >>>> > > >>>> > I'm a huge advocate of the 'download.cloudstack.org' endpoint which > > the > >>>> > community can add/remove mirrors to or from for system VMs or > built-in > >>>> > templates. Can the same system be used for binary repos ? although > >> there > >>>> > is an added complication of redist vs no-redist there... > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > paul.an...@shapeblue.com > >>>> > www.shapeblue.com > >>>> > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London WC2N 4HSUK > >>>> > @shapeblue > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > -----Original Message----- > >>>> > From: Chiradeep Vittal [mailto:chirade...@gmail.com] > >>>> > Sent: 03 March 2017 18:28 > >>>> > To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org> > >>>> > Subject: Re: Modern template hosting > >>>> > > >>>> > I do feel like this is early optimization. Mirrors rarely fail. I'd > >>>> expect > >>>> > a single web server hosted on Apache Infra without any monitors to > > fail > >>>> > more often than a mirror. We already expect Wido's systemvm > repository > >> to > >>>> > be up all the time. And it has been. Similarly, I don't believe > Nux's > >>>> > repository has ever been down. And if Accelerite wants to host on > S3, > >>>> that > >>>> > one is pretty solid as well. > >>>> > > >>>> > This is an infrequent operation in a cloud. After the cloud is > >> installed, > >>>> > the download servers are only needed for a new zone. If we trust the > >> user > >>>> > to run a cloud, surely he/she can run a web server to serve some > >> built-in > >>>> > templates. And if her cloud is successful, she needs to figure out > how > >> to > >>>> > host her templates anyway and not rely on 3rd parties. > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 9:31 AM, Will Stevens <wstev...@cloudops.com > > > >>>> > wrote: > >>>> > > >>>> > > 1) If the legacy implementations do not support redirects, that > does > >>>> > > cause a problem. A potential solution in that case is to have the > >> web > >>>> > > server actually proxy the download, but that is not ideal and I > > would > >>>> > > like to avoid it if possible. Thanks for bringing that up > > Chiradeep. > >>>> > > > >>>> > > 2) I think we need to have a single URL which people can target. > >> Once > >>>> > > they make the switch to the new URL, we want the implementation to > > be > >>>> > > able to handle mirror failures without affecting the end client. > We > >>>> > > want to avoid the situation where an ACS user will ever have to > >> change > >>>> > > this URL more than once. Mirror failures SHOULD NOT affect the > ACS > >>>> > > users assuming there is still at least one mirror who can serve > the > >>>> > requested resource. > >>>> > > > >>>> > > These are obviously my personal opinions and others will probably > >> have > >>>> > > differing opinions. > >>>> > > > >>>> > > *Will STEVENS* > >>>> > > Lead Developer > >>>> > > > >>>> > > <https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK> > >>>> > > > >>>> > > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Chiradeep Vittal > >>>> > > <chirade...@gmail.com> > >>>> > > wrote: > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > 1. If you are targeting legacy installations, they are not able > to > >>>> > > > follow redirects. The line of code that added this capability > was > >>>> > > > added on > >>>> > > 11/16. > >>>> > > > 2. If you trust the users to edit the database to change the > URL, > >>>> > > > you can trust them to change it to anything. Just document a > known > >>>> > > > list of good template locations. > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 8:13 AM, Will Stevens < > > wstev...@cloudops.com > >>> > >>>> > > > wrote: > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > So the main issue I see with this is the following. > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > This implementation is designed to target legacy installations > >>>> > > > > which > >>>> > > will > >>>> > > > > be affected when download.cloud.com disappears. These people > >> will > >>>> > > need > >>>> > > > to > >>>> > > > > make a DB change to replace the 'download.cloud.com' with > some > >>>> > > > > other > >>>> > > url > >>>> > > > > (maybe 'download.cloudstack.org'). Once the DB has been > > updated, > >>>> > > > > we > >>>> > > can > >>>> > > > > not expect anything else of the client, they need to be able > to > >>>> > > > > just continue operation as they were without any need to > rebuild > >>>> > > > > or upgrade their ACS. > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > If we try to force the decision to the client, then we break > the > >>>> > > > > legacy implementations. Since the SSVM is likely going to be > > the > >>>> > > > > client in > >>>> > > some > >>>> > > > > cases, and since it does not already have the logic to handle > > the > >>>> > > > > 300 approach correctly, I feel like it is not a viable > solution > >>>> > > > > for the > >>>> > > > legacy > >>>> > > > > deployments. > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > In addition to that. I don't think the client is in any > better > >>>> > > position > >>>> > > > to > >>>> > > > > make the mirror decision than I am. I am likely able to make > a > >>>> > > > > more 'educated' decision than the client would be able to > > because > >>>> > > > > I can do different tests on the endpoint(s) before making a > > final > >>>> > decision. > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > Does this make sense or am I missing something obvious? > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > *Will STEVENS* > >>>> > > > > Lead Developer > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > <https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK> > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Rafael Weingärtner < > >>>> > > > > rafaelweingart...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > I think I understood you, but I did not understand you. > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > Let me see if I can create an example to illustrate how we > >> could > >>>> > > > > > do > >>>> > > > using > >>>> > > > > > the HTTP 300 code. > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > The HTTP 300 code indicates clients that he/she/it has > > multiple > >>>> > > choices > >>>> > > > > to > >>>> > > > > > access the requested resource. If the request is a HEAD, > this > >> is > >>>> > > > > > the > >>>> > > > only > >>>> > > > > > thing that the server returns. If the request if a GET, then > >> the > >>>> > > server > >>>> > > > > > returns the choices for the client. The response type is > >> defined > >>>> > > > > > on > >>>> > > the > >>>> > > > > > server based on the Content-Type, user agent and others. > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > Let’s say the server receives a GET request and informs the > >>>> > > > content-type > >>>> > > > > as > >>>> > > > > > JSON (application/JSON). Your application could get the > > mirrors > >>>> > > > > > list, > >>>> > > > do > >>>> > > > > > the appending process for the requested resource path, and > > then > >>>> > > return > >>>> > > > a > >>>> > > > > > JSON array with the possible mirror the client can use. > Then, > >>>> > > > > > the > >>>> > > > client > >>>> > > > > > gets this list and does the processing required to select a > >>>> mirror. > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > Now let’s say that a human access the link using a browser. > >>>> > > > > > Then, the server should receive something like (text/plain) > as > >>>> > > > > > the > >>>> > > content-type; > >>>> > > > I > >>>> > > > > > think depending on the browser this field may differ a > little > >>>> > > > > > (it > >>>> > > would > >>>> > > > > > require some checking). Anyways, the server detects that it > is > >> a > >>>> > > > “human” > >>>> > > > > > requesting the resource, then we could serve an HTML page > with > >> a > >>>> > > > > Javascript > >>>> > > > > > that uses the mirror list. This Javascript could do some > >>>> > > > > > checking and choose the best mirror for that specific. > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > Why do I think this approach is interesting? > >>>> > > > > > The application you developed would be used only to retrieve > >>>> > > > > > valid > >>>> > > and > >>>> > > > > > trusted sources of system VM images (a trusted repository > for > >>>> > > > > > mirrors > >>>> > > > > that > >>>> > > > > > we as a community vouch for). Also, we shift the decision > >>>> > > > > > process regarding mirrors from the server to the client. > Then, > >>>> > > > > > it is up to > >>>> > > > > clients > >>>> > > > > > to select mirrors, and not up to us (or some of our > >>>> > implementations). > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > Did this help? > >>>> > > > > > BTW: I am not saying I am against the way you proposed, > which > >>>> > > > > > would > >>>> > > > work > >>>> > > > > > fine. It is merely a suggestion using a different > perspective. > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Will Stevens < > >>>> > > > williamstev...@gmail.com> > >>>> > > > > > wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > @rafael: in general, I don't think the client should ever > be > >>>> > > making a > >>>> > > > > > > choice about a mirror. We have to assume we are working > with > >> a > >>>> > > > scripted > >>>> > > > > > > application and anything hard coded in that implementation > > on > >>>> > > > > > > the > >>>> > > > > client > >>>> > > > > > > side is a risk. > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > I may not be understanding the use of the 300 approach, > so I > >>>> > > > > > > will > >>>> > > > > > research > >>>> > > > > > > it to see if I can make it fit. > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > On Mar 3, 2017 9:59 AM, "Rafael Weingärtner" < > >>>> > > > > > rafaelweingart...@gmail.com> > >>>> > > > > > > wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > Will great job. > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > I had the same doubt as Daan. > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > Have you considered using HTTP 300 working mode? Then, we > >>>> > > > > > > could let > >>>> > > > the > >>>> > > > > > > client decide which mirror is the best(closest?). Section > >>>> > “10.3.1” > >>>> > > of > >>>> > > > > [1] > >>>> > > > > > > talks about it; this would put the pressure on deciding > upon > >> a > >>>> > > mirror > >>>> > > > > on > >>>> > > > > > > the client side, but I think it would be fair. > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > [1] https://www.w3.org/Protocols/ > rfc2616/rfc2616-sec10.html > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > PS: You really like very short variables names! > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 1:24 AM, Daan Hoogland < > >>>> > > > > > daan.hoogl...@shapeblue.com > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > Nice little thing Will, > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > One question: if I read the code correctly it ‘go’es and > >>>> > > > > > > > tries > >>>> > > all > >>>> > > > > > > mirrors > >>>> > > > > > > > at once and whichever responses first is redirected to > the > >>>> > > client. > >>>> > > > > This > >>>> > > > > > > > might well be the same every time. This might be the one > >>>> > > > > > > > closest > >>>> > > to > >>>> > > > > the > >>>> > > > > > > > mirror302 and not to the client. Is that correct or did > I > >>>> > > > > > > > miss a > >>>> > > > > > weighing > >>>> > > > > > > > algorithm hidden in there? > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > Good coding, > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > On 03/03/17 00:23, "Will Stevens" <sw...@apache.org> > > wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > Hey All, > >>>> > > > > > > > Please review this repo and tell me what you think: > >>>> > > > > > > > https://github.com/swill/mirror302 > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > Let me know if you have questions or you would like > me > >>>> > > > > > > > to > >>>> > > make > >>>> > > > > > > changes > >>>> > > > > > > > before I bring this topic up with ASF Infra and > open a > >>>> > > > > > > > ticket > >>>> > > > to > >>>> > > > > > get > >>>> > > > > > > > this > >>>> > > > > > > > implemented. > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > Cheers, > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > *Will Stevens* > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Will Stevens < > >>>> > > > > > wstev...@cloudops.com > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > I am building a short term solution right now. I > >>>> > > > > > > > hopefully > >>>> > > > > will > >>>> > > > > > > > have the > >>>> > > > > > > > > building blocks in place by the weekend so we can > >>>> > > > > > > > start > >>>> > > > working > >>>> > > > > > > with > >>>> > > > > > > > Infra > >>>> > > > > > > > > to get it in place. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > We will have a web server which we can point > >> something > >>>> > like > >>>> > > > > > > > > downloads.cloudstack.org (or whatever url) at. > Then > >>>> > > > > > > > we > >>>> > > will > >>>> > > > > > have > >>>> > > > > > > > an ASF > >>>> > > > > > > > > repo which tracks a mirror list and exposes a > static > >>>> > > > > > > > site > >>>> > > to > >>>> > > > be > >>>> > > > > > > able > >>>> > > > > > > > to > >>>> > > > > > > > > query the mirror list. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > The web server will receive a request and will do > a > >>>> > > > > > > > 302 > >>>> > > > > redirect > >>>> > > > > > to > >>>> > > > > > > > the > >>>> > > > > > > > > appropriate resource on one of the mirrors. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > This gets us started. Legacy environments will > have > >>>> > > > > > > > to do > >>>> > > a > >>>> > > > DB > >>>> > > > > > > > change to > >>>> > > > > > > > > change from 'download.cloud.com' to ' > >>>> > > > downloads.cloudstack.org' > >>>> > > > > > (or > >>>> > > > > > > > > whatever), but otherwise it should be pretty > simple. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > We can improve how we deliver templates going > >> forward, > >>>> > > > > > > > but > >>>> > > > this > >>>> > > > > > > > obviously > >>>> > > > > > > > > requires some discussion still. I will try to buy > > us > >>>> > > > > > > > some > >>>> > > > time > >>>> > > > > > > with > >>>> > > > > > > > an > >>>> > > > > > > > > implementation which solves our problems today... > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > *Will STEVENS* > >>>> > > > > > > > > Lead Developer > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > <https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 7:52 AM, Abhinandan > Prateek < > >>>> > > > > > > > > abhinandan.prat...@shapeblue.com> wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> Initial seeding is a manual step and that is not > >>>> > > > > > > > going to > >>>> > > > > change > >>>> > > > > > > in > >>>> > > > > > > > near > >>>> > > > > > > > >> future. A handy list of official places from > where > >>>> > > > > > > > these > >>>> > > > > > templates > >>>> > > > > > > > can be > >>>> > > > > > > > >> downloaded won’t harm this part of the > > installation. > >>>> > > > > > > > Just > >>>> > > > > allow > >>>> > > > > > > > anyone > >>>> > > > > > > > >> credible who follows democratic process to > publish > >>>> > > > > > > > their > >>>> > > > > > templates > >>>> > > > > > > > with > >>>> > > > > > > > >> apache’s blessings. > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> Coming to urls hard coded in db, the popular > >>>> > > > > > > > suggestion is > >>>> > > > to > >>>> > > > > > > point > >>>> > > > > > > > them > >>>> > > > > > > > >> to mirrors. This looks good but this is going to > >> take > >>>> > > > > > > > some > >>>> > > > > > effort > >>>> > > > > > > > that has > >>>> > > > > > > > >> not materialised yet. Once this change is made it > >>>> > > > > > > > will be > >>>> > > > > going > >>>> > > > > > in > >>>> > > > > > > > some > >>>> > > > > > > > >> future release like 4.11; the problem still > remains > >>>> > > > > > > > for > >>>> > > the > >>>> > > > > > > > releases that > >>>> > > > > > > > >> are already out there. In case access to > >>>> > > download.cloud.com > >>>> > > > > is > >>>> > > > > > > > dropped > >>>> > > > > > > > >> at some point we will have to document the > > procedure > >>>> > > > > > > > such > >>>> > > > that > >>>> > > > > > > > people know > >>>> > > > > > > > >> how to make these stable releases work. That is > >> where > >>>> > > > > > > > the > >>>> > > > > > > procedure > >>>> > > > > > > > >> documented here https://shankerbalan.net/blog/ > >>>> > > > > > > > >> seed-cloudstack-templates-offline/ should be > >>>> > > > > > > > officially > >>>> > > > > adapted > >>>> > > > > > > > with a > >>>> > > > > > > > >> marketplace to pick up templates of choosing. > Maybe > >>>> > > > > > > > we can > >>>> > > > > have > >>>> > > > > > a > >>>> > > > > > > > pre-setup > >>>> > > > > > > > >> script to make choices instead of written wiki. > > Note > >>>> > > > > > > > that > >>>> > > > this > >>>> > > > > > > will > >>>> > > > > > > > be > >>>> > > > > > > > >> anyway needed by the older releases. > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> On 01/03/17, 4:24 PM, "Paul Angus" < > >>>> > > > paul.an...@shapeblue.com> > >>>> > > > > > > > wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >-1 > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >We are trying to get MORE people to use > > CloudStack. > >>>> > > > > > > > And > >>>> > > > > > raising > >>>> > > > > > > > the > >>>> > > > > > > > >> barrier to entry does nothing to help that. > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >Kind regards, > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >Paul Angus > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >paul.an...@shapeblue.com > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >www.shapeblue.com > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London WC2N > > 4HSUK > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >@shapeblue > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >-----Original Message----- > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >From: Abhinandan Prateek [mailto: > >> abhinandan.prateek@ > >>>> > > > > > > shapeblue.com] > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >Sent: 01 March 2017 09:39 > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >Subject: Re: Modern template hosting > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >+1 > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >After seeing this discussion running in circles > >>>> > > > > > > > several > >>>> > > > > times, > >>>> > > > > > I > >>>> > > > > > > > think > >>>> > > > > > > > >> we should at least get started with the simplest > >>>> option. > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >On 27/02/17, 11:54 PM, "Chiradeep Vittal" < > >>>> > > > > > chirade...@gmail.com> > >>>> > > > > > > > wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>The alternative foolproof way is to simply not > >>>> > > > > > > > provide > >>>> > > the > >>>> > > > > > > > automatic > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>download. > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>Just document the mirror list URL where the > >>>> > > > > > > > templates > >>>> > > can > >>>> > > > be > >>>> > > > > > > > found. I > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>don't know why people reject this option. > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>https://shankerbalan.net/blog/seed-cloudstack- > >>>> > > > > > > templates-offline/ > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Will Stevens > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >><williamstev...@gmail.com> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> OK. Thanks for the heads up. > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> On Feb 27, 2017 1:08 PM, "Chiradeep Vittal" < > >>>> > > > > > > > chirade...@gmail.com> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > Sounds workable. The downloader code in the > >>>> > > > > > > > SSVM > >>>> > > won't > >>>> > > > > > > follow > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > redirects I think. > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/blob/ > >>>> > > > > > > 5511065fc20787619d > >>>> > > > > > > > 9cd0444 > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > a65a3 155fc9c921/core/src/com/cloud/ > >>>> > > storage/template/ > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > HttpTemplateDownloader.java#L93 > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > https://goo.gl/dSi0r5 > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > Might need to add > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > client.setRedirectStrategy(new > >>>> > > LaxRedirectStrategy()); > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 9:57 AM, Will > Stevens > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > <wstev...@cloudops.com> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > We haven't opened a ticket yet because we > >>>> > > > > > > > don't > >>>> > > > have a > >>>> > > > > > > > strategy > >>>> > > > > > > > >> yet. > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > What do you guys think of this: > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > - We setup a new github repo in the > > 'apache' > >>>> > > > > > > > org > >>>> > > > which > >>>> > > > > > > > consists > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > of a > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > single > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > file with a list of active/supported > >> mirrors. > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > - I write a small web server, distributed > > as > >>>> > > > > > > > a > >>>> > > > binary, > >>>> > > > > > > > which can > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > be > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > hosted > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > by ASF Infra. This web server will query > >> the > >>>> > > > current > >>>> > > > > > list > >>>> > > > > > > > of > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > mirrors > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> and > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > will select one and then do a 302 > redirect > >> to > >>>> > > > > > > > that > >>>> > > > > > mirror. > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > The act of 'choosing' a mirror could be > > done > >>>> > > > > > > > in a > >>>> > > > > number > >>>> > > > > > > of > >>>> > > > > > > > ways. > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > - If we want to define an order, then it > >>>> > > > > > > > could > >>>> > > just > >>>> > > > > try > >>>> > > > > > > > from the > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > top of > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > the > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > list and work its way down. It would > curl > >>>> > > > > > > > the > >>>> > > > target > >>>> > > > > to > >>>> > > > > > > > make > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > sure it > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > gets > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > a 200 and if it does, it would do a 302 > >>>> > redirect. > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > - Or, if we want to distribute the load > >>>> > > > > > > > across the > >>>> > > > > > > mirrors, > >>>> > > > > > > > we > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > could > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> pick > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > from the list randomly. Again, doing a > > curl > >>>> > > > > > > > to > >>>> > > > verify > >>>> > > > > > the > >>>> > > > > > > > mirror > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > is up > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > and > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > then doing a redirect. > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > - If we want to get fancy, we could do a > >>>> > > > > > > > reverse > >>>> > > IP > >>>> > > > > > lookup > >>>> > > > > > > > and > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > try to > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > match > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > the requester with their closest > >> geographical > >>>> > > > mirror. > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > Thoughts? > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > *Will STEVENS* > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > Lead Developer > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > <https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:46 PM, > Chiradeep > >>>> > > Vittal < > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> chirade...@gmail.com > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > What steps are needed to set up a > mirror? > >>>> > > > > > > > What > >>>> > > > does > >>>> > > > > > > Infra > >>>> > > > > > > > need > >>>> > > > > > > > >> to do? > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > Has > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > anybody filed a ticket with Infra? > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 10:17 PM, Raja > >>>> > Pullela < > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > raja.pull...@accelerite.com> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > Hi will, > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > I believe, we didn’t get to close > >>>> > > > > > > > ‘getting a > >>>> > > > > mirror > >>>> > > > > > on > >>>> > > > > > > > Apache’ > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > because > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > we > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > needed someone on the Apache Infra > side > >>>> > > > > > > > to > >>>> > > close > >>>> > > > > > this. > >>>> > > > > > > > BTW, > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > cloudstack-apt.get.eu (I think Nux > >>>> > > > > > > > manages > >>>> > > > this?) > >>>> > > > > > has > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > all/most of > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > the > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > content. Once we can close on the > >> Apache > >>>> > > mirror > >>>> > > > > for > >>>> > > > > > > > hosting > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > the > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > content, I > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > can help assist getting the content > >> there. > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > For now, we have replicated the > >>>> > > > > download.cloud.com > >>>> > > > > > > > content to > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > ‘ s3.download.accelerite.com’. > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > Also, we are working on a set of > >>>> > > steps/procedure > >>>> > > > > to > >>>> > > > > > > > help with > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > this change. I will update everyone > in > >>>> > > > > > > > about > >>>> > > a > >>>> > > > > > week’s > >>>> > > > > > > > time > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > on the > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > details. > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > Best, > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > Raja Pullela > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > Engineering Team, > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > Accelerite, 2055 Laurelwood Road, > Santa > >>>> > > > > > > > Clara, > >>>> > > > CA, > >>>> > > > > > > 95054 > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > On 2/24/17, 11:23 PM, " > >>>> > > williamstev...@gmail.com > >>>> > > > > on > >>>> > > > > > > > behalf of > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > Will Stevens" < > williamstev...@gmail.com > >>>> > > > > > > > on > >>>> > > > behalf > >>>> > > > > > of > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > wstev...@cloudops.com> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > unfortunately the template mirror > >>>> > > > > > > > conversation > >>>> > > > got > >>>> > > > > > > > caught up > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > in > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > details > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > and > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > nobody took the lead on implementing > a > >>>> > > solution. > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > citrix has been pinging me every > couple > >>>> > > > > > > > months > >>>> > > > to > >>>> > > > > > say > >>>> > > > > > > > 'dude, > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > we > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> need > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > to > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > remove the dependency on > >>>> > > > > > > > download.citrix.com > >>>> > > ', > >>>> > > > > but > >>>> > > > > > i > >>>> > > > > > > > have not > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > had > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > the > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > cycles to get in and solve the > problem. > >>>> > > > > > > > the > >>>> > > > > > shutdown > >>>> > > > > > > > of that > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > is > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > imminent > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > right now, so we need to solve it > asap. > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > *Will STEVENS* > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > Lead Developer > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > <https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:38 PM, > Paul > >>>> > Angus < > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > paul.an...@shapeblue.com > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > Hi Nathan, > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > Ideally, if you put the template > >>>> > > > > > > > location in > >>>> > > > (or > >>>> > > > > > use > >>>> > > > > > > a > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > template > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > defined > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > in) test_data.py then the actual > >>>> > > > > > > > location > >>>> > > can > >>>> > > > > be > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > overridden by > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > anyone > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > testing. > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > For Trillian, we've copied all of > the > >>>> > > > templates > >>>> > > > > > that > >>>> > > > > > > > people > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > have > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > define > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > to > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > a local repo and then replace the > > URLs > >>>> > > > > > > > in test_data.py to > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > reduce > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > bandwidth > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > use and download times. > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > Ie: > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > "bootableIso": > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > { > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > "displaytext": > >> "Test > >>>> > > > > Bootable > >>>> > > > > > > > ISO", > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > "name": > > "testISO", > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > "bootable": > True, > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > "ispublic": > > False, > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > "url": "{{ > >>>> > > > > > > marvin_images_location > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > }}/TinyCore-current.iso", > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > "ostype": > 'Other > >>>> Linux > >>>> > > > > > > (64-bit)', > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > "mode": > >>>> > 'HTTP_DOWNLOAD' > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > }, > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > I thought that we had come up with > a > >>>> > > solution > >>>> > > > > for > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > download.cloud.com > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > , > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > by > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > having a mirrorlist hosted in > >> Community > >>>> > > Apache > >>>> > > > > > > > 'space' with > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> anyone > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > able > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > to > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > out themselves forward as a mirror. > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > But I must admit I lost track of > >>>> > > > > > > > whether > >>>> > > > anyone > >>>> > > > > > made > >>>> > > > > > > > the > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> requisite > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > changes > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > in code.... > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > Kind regards, > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > Paul Angus > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > paul.an...@shapeblue.com > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > www.shapeblue.com > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, > >> London > >>>> > > WC2N > >>>> > > > > > 4HSUK > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > @shapeblue > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > From: williamstev...@gmail.com > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > On > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > Behalf Of Will Stevens > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > Sent: 24 February 2017 16:30 > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > Subject: Re: Modern template > hosting > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > this is a hard questions. in > > general, > >>>> > > > > > > > we > >>>> > > > should > >>>> > > > > > be > >>>> > > > > > > > setting > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > up a > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > mirror > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > on > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > some cloudstack/apache domain and > > then > >>>> > > mirror > >>>> > > > to > >>>> > > > > > > other > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > provided > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > templates. > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > we MUST come up with a solution to > >>>> > deprecate > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > 'download.cloud.com > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> ', > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > that > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > is going to be going away any day > > now. > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > i don't know the right way to solve > >>>> > > > > > > > this to > >>>> > > be > >>>> > > > > > > > honest, but > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > if you > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > have > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > ideas, i am willing to help. > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > *Will STEVENS* > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > Lead Developer > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > <https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 11:25 AM, > >>>> > > > > > > > Nathan > >>>> > > > > Johnson < > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> njohn...@ena.com > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > So not to re-open a can of worms, > >> but > >>>> > > > > > > > I’m > >>>> > > > in a > >>>> > > > > > > > situation > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > where > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> I > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > need > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > to come up with a Marvin > component > >>>> > > > > > > > test > >>>> > > that > >>>> > > > > > > > depends on a > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > template > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > based on a kernel that’s > relatively > >>>> > > > > > > > new, > >>>> > > > i.e., > >>>> > > > > > > > newer than > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> Centos > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > 5.3 > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > / > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > Ubuntu 10.04 . > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > I see openvm.eu has a suitable > >>>> > > > > > > > template > >>>> > > > > (Ubuntu > >>>> > > > > > > > 16.0.4 > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > for > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> KVM), > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > but > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > from looking at the thread > >> "Migrating > >>>> > > > > CloudStack > >>>> > > > > > > > content > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > from download.cloud.com” it > looks > >>>> > > > > > > > like > >>>> > > > there > >>>> > > > > is > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > resistance to using > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > this > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > at > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > least for hosting system vm > >> templates > >>>> > > > > > > > over > >>>> > > > > > > concerns > >>>> > > > > > > > of > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > neutrality. > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > Would this be suitable for a > >>>> > > > > > > > component > >>>> > > test? > >>>> > > > > If > >>>> > > > > > > > not, > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > what is a > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > “blessed” > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > template location? > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > Thanks in advance! > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > Nathan Johnson > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > R&D Engineer > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > 618 Grassmere Park Drive, Suite > 12 > >>>> > > > Nashville, > >>>> > > > > TN > >>>> > > > > > > > 37211 > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > General Office: 615-312-6000 > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > website | blog | support > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > DISCLAIMER > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > ========== > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > This e-mail may contain privileged > and > >>>> > > > > confidential > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > information > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> which > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > is > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > the property of Accelerite, a > > Persistent > >>>> > > Systems > >>>> > > > > > > > business. It > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > is > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > intended > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > only for the use of the individual or > >>>> > > > > > > > entity > >>>> > > to > >>>> > > > > > which > >>>> > > > > > > > it is > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > addressed. > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > If > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > you are not the intended recipient, > you > >>>> > > > > > > > are > >>>> > > not > >>>> > > > > > > > authorized to > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > read, > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > retain, > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > copy, print, distribute or use this > >>>> message. > >>>> > > If > >>>> > > > > you > >>>> > > > > > > have > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > received > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > this > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > communication in error, please notify > >> the > >>>> > > sender > >>>> > > > > and > >>>> > > > > > > > delete > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > all > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > copies > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > of > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > this message. Accelerite, a > Persistent > >>>> > > > > > > > Systems > >>>> > > > > > > business > >>>> > > > > > > > does > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > not > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > accept > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > any > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > liability for virus infected mails. > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >abhinandan.prat...@shapeblue.com > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >www.shapeblue.com > >>>> > > > > > > > >> >53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London WC2N > > 4HSUK > >>>> > > > > @shapeblue > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> abhinandan.prat...@shapeblue.com > >>>> > > > > > > > >> www.shapeblue.com > >>>> > > > > > > > >> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London WC2N > 4HSUK > >>>> > > > > > > > >> @shapeblue > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > daan.hoogl...@shapeblue.com > >>>> > > > > > > > www.shapeblue.com > >>>> > > > > > > > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London WC2N 4HSUK > >>>> > > > > > > > @shapeblue > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > -- > >>>> > > > > > > Rafael Weingärtner > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > -- > >>>> > > > > > Rafael Weingärtner > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > >>>> > >
