On 15.08.2006 22:18, Daniel Fagerstrom wrote:
Now if experiments with retroweaver/retrotranslator show that we can use
Java 1.5 _and_ produce libraries that work in a Java 1.4 environment,
the above problem should be resolved and Joerg should be able to retract
his veto. Right Joerg?
In such a case (i.e. if Joerg retract his veto) we would not need a new
vote for starting to use Java 5.
Now, AFAIU retroweaver/retrotranslator have some (small) limitations, so
we probably would need a new proposal that says that we use the subset
of Java 5 supported by retroweaver/retrotranslator.
Yes, especially with your new proposal I would retract the veto. But
this addition is not unimportant as it shows that we care about our user
base. It means we have tested our code base and it runs with the help of
retro* in Java 1.4.
Without the addition it's a bit like "There are tools that can make
this. See, if you can get tehm running. Maybe they solve your problem."
And nobody would probably care about it as there is no such clear guide
line.
Now something about vetoing:
...
To me it seem to put a lot of emphasis on reaching a consensus. Right
now we have a veto that most of the community don't agree with. That is
far away from consensus and is IMO _not_ an acceptable situation from a
community health POV. This means that we have to continue to work until
we find a solution that we can get a consensus around.
From the community health POV I don't think we are that bad. Even IF
the veto stands at the end, we had a good discussion with very different
arguments. That we would not have agreed in this case does not mean that
we have to worry about community health. And we are still working on an
acceptable solution for ... everyone ... me :) Your proposal above
strongly hints on it.
Btw, this was one of the few threads where I looked forward to every new
mail. Other that huge threads often get unsettled, unorganized,
confusing or boring. It also was not a "one vs. all", but often people
that do not agree with my position in general stand with me in some
aspects. It was really fun :) Thanks.
Jörg
