Hello, Guys, don't get me wrong, but you're sounding like a bunch of old man talking about the good old days, where you did everything on the command line. ;-) I'm 29 and before Apache, I hadn't heard about mailing lists. It always felt clumsy to me. I know github and twitter. That's just the stuff my generation uses. I understand the requirements Phil brought up. But I don't think that mailing lists are the golden way to fulfill those requirements. And when people stop contributing because they don't like the tools we use, then we have a problem. No matter how fancy one can configure thunderbird rules... (BTW I'm using gmail for Apache Mails and it works pretty well. It's the only way I can have the same filters on all of my devices...)
I like Benson's idea of improving the searching facilities. But IMHO this is addressing only part of the story. As I said before, what I love about github is, that everything is integrated with the code. ASF is about the code. If there where no code, there wouldn't be any discussions. I don't think it would be to hard for infra to host a gitlab instance [1] or even get a github enterprise plan [2]. Everything would run on ASF infra, code would be integrated. I would be happy. We could set it up so that it sends an email to a mailing list for every code change/comment/ticket. Win Win situation ;-) Best regards, Benedikt [1] https://about.gitlab.com/ [2] https://enterprise.github.com/ 2015-01-19 6:41 GMT+01:00 Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) < ross.gard...@microsoft.com>: > I'll certainly admit that I'm a "traditionalist". But I hope that I can be > credited with trying other things when they come along. > > Unfortunately, there is no other format of communications that is > standards based and thus has all the necessary tools for being productive. > If there were I'd be happy to use it. > > My car has a cassette player, but I haven't owned a cassette for something > like 25 years. > > I do think that something better than email will emerge one day, but it > isn't around today. > > Ross > > Sent from my Windows Phone > ________________________________ > From: Dennis E. Hamilton<mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org> > Sent: 1/18/2015 9:20 AM > To: dev@community.apache.org<mailto:dev@community.apache.org> > Subject: RE: Mailinglists - a tool from the 90s? > > I think Ross's consideration also applies to the many folks who cling to > technology of the 70s (i.e., the Internet versions of News Readers) to > access and contribute to ASF mailing lists. > > - Dennis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) [mailto:ross.gard...@microsoft.com] > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 07:29 > To: dev@community.apache.org > Subject: RE: Mailinglists - a tool from the 90s? > > For me any alternative would still have to push everything into my inbox > where I can use a my preferred tools, each developed and matured over many > years, to help me process the volume of communications I need (filters, > archives, calendars etc.) > > Ross > > Sent from my Windows Phone > ________________________________ > From: Benedikt Ritter<mailto:brit...@apache.org> > Sent: 1/18/2015 4:35 AM > To: dev@community.apache.org<mailto:dev@community.apache.org> > Subject: Mailinglists - a tool from the 90s? > > Hi all, > > over at the Apache Commons Project, we have a long discussion about our > mailing lists. Are they to noisy? Should they be splitted up into sublists? > Should individual components go TLP? > IMHO Ben McCann summed up the core problem pretty well [1]. Mailing lists > are simply a outdated tool from the 90s. They can not compete with tools > like github/gitlab that integrate the code with the possibility to do code > reviews, disucssions and bugtracking. > > Now I'm curious: Does anybody here really like the use of mailing lists? Or > do we all simply go through the struggle of setting up filters etc. just > because this is the way it has always been? > > Regards, > Benedikt > > [1] http://markmail.org/message/iizay3mmf2msvaf2 > > -- > http://people.apache.org/~britter/ > http://www.systemoutprintln.de/ > http://twitter.com/BenediktRitter > http://github.com/britter > > -- http://people.apache.org/~britter/ http://www.systemoutprintln.de/ http://twitter.com/BenediktRitter http://github.com/britter
