On Monday, January 19, 2015, Benedikt Ritter <brit...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hello, > > Guys, don't get me wrong, but you're sounding like a bunch of old man > talking about the good old days, where you did everything on the command > line. ;-) > I'm 29 and before Apache, I hadn't heard about mailing lists. It always > felt clumsy to me. I know github and twitter. That's just the stuff my > generation uses. I understand the requirements Phil brought up. But I don't > think that mailing lists are the golden way to fulfill those requirements. > And when people stop contributing because they don't like the tools we use, > then we have a problem. No matter how fancy one can configure thunderbird > rules... (BTW I'm using gmail for Apache Mails and it works pretty well. > It's the only way I can have the same filters on all of my devices...) > > I like Benson's idea of improving the searching facilities. But IMHO this > is addressing only part of the story. As I said before, what I love about > github is, that everything is integrated with the code. *and* it is integrated with email. If you set up comment notifications you get emails for each comment, and replying to the email comments on the pull request/issue/commit I am not against additional views, just let me keep it all in my mail client *if I choose to prefer a mail client for interaction* It would be great if I had an easier way to interact with other TLPs without subscribing, but mail is good enough for me... Not my itch to scratch > ASF is about the > code. I though asf was community over code... We may have some code, but we value the community more > If there where no code, there wouldn't be any discussions. I don't > think it would be to hard for infra to host a gitlab instance [1] or even > get a github enterprise plan [2]. Everything would run on ASF infra, code > would be integrated. I would be happy. We could set it up so that it sends > an email to a mailing list for every code change/comment/ticket. Win Win > situation ;-) > > Best regards, > Benedikt > > [1] https://about.gitlab.com/ > [2] https://enterprise.github.com/ > > 2015-01-19 6:41 GMT+01:00 Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) < > ross.gard...@microsoft.com <javascript:;>>: > > > I'll certainly admit that I'm a "traditionalist". But I hope that I can > be > > credited with trying other things when they come along. > > > > Unfortunately, there is no other format of communications that is > > standards based and thus has all the necessary tools for being > productive. > > If there were I'd be happy to use it. > > > > My car has a cassette player, but I haven't owned a cassette for > something > > like 25 years. > > > > I do think that something better than email will emerge one day, but it > > isn't around today. > > > > Ross > > > > Sent from my Windows Phone > > ________________________________ > > From: Dennis E. Hamilton<mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org <javascript:;>> > > Sent: 1/18/2015 9:20 AM > > To: dev@community.apache.org <javascript:;><mailto: > dev@community.apache.org <javascript:;>> > > Subject: RE: Mailinglists - a tool from the 90s? > > > > I think Ross's consideration also applies to the many folks who cling to > > technology of the 70s (i.e., the Internet versions of News Readers) to > > access and contribute to ASF mailing lists. > > > > - Dennis > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) [mailto:ross.gard...@microsoft.com > <javascript:;>] > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 07:29 > > To: dev@community.apache.org <javascript:;> > > Subject: RE: Mailinglists - a tool from the 90s? > > > > For me any alternative would still have to push everything into my inbox > > where I can use a my preferred tools, each developed and matured over > many > > years, to help me process the volume of communications I need (filters, > > archives, calendars etc.) > > > > Ross > > > > Sent from my Windows Phone > > ________________________________ > > From: Benedikt Ritter<mailto:brit...@apache.org <javascript:;>> > > Sent: 1/18/2015 4:35 AM > > To: dev@community.apache.org <javascript:;><mailto: > dev@community.apache.org <javascript:;>> > > Subject: Mailinglists - a tool from the 90s? > > > > Hi all, > > > > over at the Apache Commons Project, we have a long discussion about our > > mailing lists. Are they to noisy? Should they be splitted up into > sublists? > > Should individual components go TLP? > > IMHO Ben McCann summed up the core problem pretty well [1]. Mailing lists > > are simply a outdated tool from the 90s. They can not compete with tools > > like github/gitlab that integrate the code with the possibility to do > code > > reviews, disucssions and bugtracking. > > > > Now I'm curious: Does anybody here really like the use of mailing lists? > Or > > do we all simply go through the struggle of setting up filters etc. just > > because this is the way it has always been? > > > > Regards, > > Benedikt > > > > [1] http://markmail.org/message/iizay3mmf2msvaf2 > > > > -- > > http://people.apache.org/~britter/ > > http://www.systemoutprintln.de/ > > http://twitter.com/BenediktRitter > > http://github.com/britter > > > > > > > -- > http://people.apache.org/~britter/ > http://www.systemoutprintln.de/ > http://twitter.com/BenediktRitter > http://github.com/britter > -- Sent from my phone
