On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 7:57 AM Jim Jagielski <j...@jagunet.com> wrote: > > Consider the effort along the lines of development... all development > needs to be done on list.
Not all committees operate along the lines of development. Independent of that, we often complement lists with calls, meetups, hackathons, etc. To the extent that this group does produce tangible products, the development of those products do need to follow the norms of the ASF; development may happen on or off list, but needs to be brought back to the list, and everybody given an opportunity to participate. > I think (I could be wrong) Sam's suggestion regarding a call > was to discuss options on the effort (eg: president's cmmt, etc...) > and not about the actual "details" of the ins and outs. Close, but this has rapidly evolved in a different direction from what I originally requested. A president's committee is one of the options being explored, and such would have a VP, and wanted an opportunity to discuss this with Griselda (schedule permitting, including Ross). Not to plot any diabolical schemes, but to set expectations and to make myself available for questions. Should others be interested, I'd do the same with them. If there is interest in an initial call, or even a regular call (and yes, some committees do that too), we should allow such to happen, as long as the relevant portions of the meeting relating to development efforts is brought back to the list. > Discussing the proposal details of the effort should definitely be done > on list. Yes, a call may help things happen more "quickly" but that > should not be the prime or main consideration... we baseline > mailing lists for all development (and, as I said, this *is* development) > for a very clear reason. The idea of working out details regarding > Diversity and *Inclusion* using a method that for sure *excludes* > people is irony writ large. Again, while there are part of this effort which undoubtedly will be development, other parts may not be. Meetings with people from other organizations in similar efforts will likely occur. Down the road, there may be vendor selection activities. > CCing diversity@ so the thread can move there. Thanks! I've moved comdev to bcc. - Sam Ruby > > On Apr 2, 2019, at 8:43 PM, Griselda Cuevas <g...@google.com.INVALID> wrote: > > > > Sam suggested a call, so that's why I initiated. > > > > > > I think a call will help work out quickly a document we can socialize in > > the mailing list. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 2, 2019, 1:27 PM Jim Jagielski <j...@jagunet.com> wrote: > > > >> Can I recommend instead of a call, using the newly created > >> mailing list... In general, Apache tries to avoid the use of > >> sync communication medium except when absolutely required. > >> > >> I think that esp for such a topic as D&I, starting the effort off > >> using a method that inherently disenfranchises people may > >> not be the wisest 1st step :) > >> > >> Cheers! > >> > >>> On Apr 2, 2019, at 3:53 PM, Griselda Cuevas <g...@google.com.INVALID> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi everyone, > >>> > >>> Following up the original thread that sparked the creation of a > >> Diversity & > >>> Inclusion committee in the ASF [1], I'm coordinating a call/videocall to > >>> discuss the proposal details to the board. > >>> > >>> *Action by April 5th, 2019 @ midnight PST* > >>> If you're interested in being part of the committee and shaping the > >> request > >>> to the board, add your availability in this Doodle*: > >>> https://doodle.com/poll/52cce5zh77avryri > >>> > >>> *If you don't know how to use Doodle, read this: > >>> https://help.doodle.com/hc/en-us/articles/360012150073 > >>> > >>> [1] > >>> > >> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/5b88a314fd28ec3753fd9aa57fdf815fe9f7a64c5f60fb00e2d25bcf@%3Cdev.community.apache.org%3E > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > >> > >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: diversity-unsubscr...@apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: diversity-h...@apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
