Erik that's great! Where can we download it? On Oct 18, 2013 8:01 AM, "Andrew Grieve" <agri...@chromium.org> wrote:
> Awesome video!! > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 3:43 AM, Erik Jan de Wit <ede...@redhat.com> > wrote: > > > On the topic of IDE support my collage Gorkem has made a nice wizard in > > eclipse that mimics the CLI have a look at this video > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUyUUtmTYok > > > > On 18 Oct,2013, at 4:29 , Maxime LUCE <max...@somatic.fr> wrote: > > > > > Great Bryan > > > Totally agree !!! > > > > > > Cordialement. > > > ------------------------------- > > > Maxime LUCE - Somatic > > > maxime.l...@somatic.fr > > > 06 28 60 72 34 > > > ________________________________ > > > De : Brian LeRoux<mailto:b...@brian.io> > > > Envoyé : 18/10/2013 01:48 > > > À : dev@cordova.apache.org<mailto:dev@cordova.apache.org> > > > Objet : Re: config.xml discussion, we need to talk > > > > > > I don't really appreciate comments that we don't talk to our users, or > > build apps in anger. Neither of those assertions are true. The origins of > > these initiatives are based on both community feedback, and direct > > experience. > > > > > > Keeping your focus on just pure platform side of a project is fine, of > > course, since the CLI delegates to the platform. This was also a > deliberate > > learning from MANY attempts at an architecture that satisfies both > > approaches. It separates the concerns and respects the platform will be > > canonical for the common workflows supported. This is a very real example > > of Conway's Law btw. [1] > > > > > > Anyhow. Deep breath! Software has bugs, people will report them, and > > we'll continue to improve. This is a very large group with a very diverse > > community that spans regular old hackers to the humble web designers. We > > need to respect that, and maybe be a little more compassionate to each > > other too. All software is fucked up, and at the end of the day, it is > our > > perpetual job to make it a little less fucked up. > > > > > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway's_law > > > > > > > > > [Inline image 1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Tommy Williams <to...@devgeeks.org > > <mailto:to...@devgeeks.org>> wrote: > > > Late to the party due to timezone fun, but I just want to chime in in > > > support of the CLI. > > > > > > As a dev working on an actual nontrivial "real world" app, I would like > > to > > > let it be known that we (SpiderOak) have been heavy drinkers of the CLI > > > Kool-Aid since its infancy. > > > > > > We have even managed to get to the point where ./platforms/**/* is > just a > > > build artefact (mostly by using hooks and tying the whole thing > together > > > with Grunt). > > > > > > We have a fast and fairly complex app (both many core plugins as well > > and a > > > few custom/third party ones), that even includes the ability to white > > label > > > it with relative ease. > > > > > > I feel pretty strongly in favour of the CLI and strongly advocate its > use > > > when asked in the #phonegap IRC channel. > > > > > > Just my opinion, but thought it was important to add to the discussion. > > > > > > - tommy / devgeeks > > > On 18 Oct 2013 04:44, "Anis KADRI" <anis.ka...@gmail.com<mailto: > > anis.ka...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > >> Sweet. So I think we all agree (expect Joe perhaps?) that both > > >> approaches should be supported :-) > > >> > > >> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Carlos Santana < > csantan...@gmail.com > > <mailto:csantan...@gmail.com>> > > >> wrote: > > >>> I meant in addition of ".cordova/lib" also allow also to do something > > >> like > > >>> "cordova platform add ios --path="./cordova_components/cordova-ios" > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Carlos Santana < > csantan...@gmail.com > > <mailto:csantan...@gmail.com> > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> ++1 "to install from a given directory instead of .cordova/libs." > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Viras < > vi...@users.sourceforge.net > > <mailto:vi...@users.sourceforge.net> > > >>> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> This might be true - it took me quite some time to figure out how > the > > >> CLI > > >>>>> actually works - despite also having to fix one or two bugs for the > > WPX > > >>>>> implementation of the CLI code (as well as the Windows 8 CLI code). > > But > > >>>>> still I would hate to see the CLI go, since I think once you are > used > > >> to > > >>>>> it, it saves you quite a lot of time (I still have those old > > documents > > >>>>> which guide me through the setup of the IDE projects for the > > different > > >>>>> platforms - which is now mostly obsolete). > > >>>>> > > >>>>> So I guess supporting both methods is the way to go... :) > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Best, > > >>>>> Wolfgang > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Am 2013-10-17 16:13, schrieb Michal Mocny: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Thanks so much for chiming in, I'm very happy to see that you've > > >> figured > > >>>>>> out how to leverage the benefits and avoid the drawbacks of the > new > > >>>>>> workflow, and that it has led to increased productivity for you. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I do think that perhaps it is still too difficult for every > > developer > > >> to > > >>>>>> learn what you already have. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> -Michal > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 12:13 AM, Viras < > > vi...@users.sourceforge.net<mailto:vi...@users.sourceforge.net>> > > >>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> my view on this discussion: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I've used the CLI to release the latest version of GOFG Sports > > >> Computer > > >>>>>>> for Windows Phone. The support for the "merges" directory is a > > >> fantastic > > >>>>>>> feature which allows me to focus on the javascript code using > e.g. > > >> the > > >>>>>>> NetBeans IDE - I can finally handle all my platform specific code > > >> from > > >>>>>>> JavaScript in one consistent directory structure - which is what > > >> Cordova > > >>>>>>> should be about. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> In addition the CLI forces you to write clean code (not implying > > that > > >>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>> other method forces to write messy code). If you need something > > >> native > > >>>>>>> write a clean plugin for it (which also makes the code reusable) > - > > no > > >>>>>>> need > > >>>>>>> to mess around in the native projects code - this also makes > > >> upgrading > > >>>>>>> cordova much easier. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Once I've done the Windows Phone version I've simply added > Android > > >> as a > > >>>>>>> platform, build it and I was done - no need for fiddling around > > with > > >>>>>>> SDK / > > >>>>>>> IDE setup etc (besides actually installing it). So CLI is my > > favorite > > >>>>>>> way > > >>>>>>> to develop now - and it is far more powerful than the old > approach > > >> (in > > >>>>>>> my > > >>>>>>> opinion) - since it saves you from fiddling around with project > > >>>>>>> settings, > > >>>>>>> etc. when you do a multi-platform release. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Oh yes - and GOFG SC uses two custom plugins, 5 official plugins > > and > > >>>>>>> cordova 3.0 - so it is a bit beyond the "Hello World" > > application.... > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> And I do not agree that it isn't possible to work with the native > > >> IDEs > > >>>>>>> with their own projects - this is simply wrong since you can > always > > >> go > > >>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>> the "platforms" directory and open the platform-projects using > > their > > >>>>>>> native > > >>>>>>> IDE from there (I've done this myself for e.g. plugin > development). > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Still I agree that both versions should be supported - but don't > > make > > >>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>> assumption that the CLI is for "n00bs" only! > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Best, > > >>>>>>> Wolfgang > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Am 2013-10-16 23:11, schrieb Joe Bowser: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Michal Mocny < > mmo...@chromium.org > > <mailto:mmo...@chromium.org>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Anis: Totally agrees, but its important to highlight that both > > >>>>>>>>> directions > > >>>>>>>>> for that arguments hold. We've done our best to support bin/ > > >> scripts > > >>>>>>>>> post > > >>>>>>>>> 3.0, yet blanket statements like "CLI should not be used with > > >> IDE", or > > >>>>>>>>> "CLI > > >>>>>>>>> sucks unless you just doing something trivial" are being thrown > > >>>>>>>>> around, > > >>>>>>>>> which are harmful in my opinion, and I don't think its fair > that > > >> some > > >>>>>>>>> of > > >>>>>>>>> us > > >>>>>>>>> are promoting that message to users. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> I don't think we're communicating with our users at all, so I > > >> don't > > >>>>>>>> see how this could be communicated. When users communicate > their > > >>>>>>>> frustrations, it's usually something like this > > >>>>>>>> (http://www.infil00p.org/****config-xml-changes-for-ios-**< > > >> http://www.infil00p.org/**config-xml-changes-for-ios-**> > > >>>>>>>> and-android/#comment-10731<htt**p://www.infil00p.org/config-**< > > http://www.infil00p.org/config-**> > > >>>>>>>> xml-changes-for-ios-and-**android/#comment-10731< > > >> > > > http://www.infil00p.org/config-xml-changes-for-ios-and-android/#comment-10731 > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> ) > > >>>>>>>> and this > > >>>>>>>> (http://www.infil00p.org/****introducing-cordova-3-0-0-for-**** > < > > >> http://www.infil00p.org/**introducing-cordova-3-0-0-for-**> > > >>>>>>>> android/#comment-10694<http://**www.infil00p.org/introducing-** > < > > http://www.infil00p.org/introducing-**> > > >>>>>>>> cordova-3-0-0-for-android/#**comment-10694< > > >> > > > http://www.infil00p.org/introducing-cordova-3-0-0-for-android/#comment-10694 > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> ). > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> CLI works well for me, and while its not perfect, I strive to > > learn > > >>>>>>>> its > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> limitations and make it better, not condemn it. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> I avoid it because it's not developed for me, or developers like > > me > > >>>>>>>> who like to see a big pile of output when things fail. I > avoided > > >>>>>>>> having any part in its development because I thought it was the > > >> wrong > > >>>>>>>> way to do things. I assumed that the majority of users actually > > >>>>>>>> wanted this and that I should do my best to work around this, > but > > >> with > > >>>>>>>> the backlash that we're getting, such as the blog posts and some > > >>>>>>>> comments on the Google Groups, it seems that this is a feature > > very > > >>>>>>>> few people actually wanted. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> As far as the CordovaWebView use case, I actually have never > tried > > >>>>>>>> that. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Has anyone bothered to make sure it works well post-3.0, or > does > > >> Joe > > >>>>>>>>> have > > >>>>>>>>> a point that we missed addressing this? > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> We have JUnit unit tests in the Android repository to make sure > > that > > >>>>>>>> this still works. However, I would like to see this test case > > >>>>>>>> revisited since it may be more appropriate to have > CordovaActivity > > >> be > > >>>>>>>> inherited instead of CordovaInterface, or for both to be > > supported. > > >>>>>>>> This is so that we can make more hybrid applications and deal > with > > >> the > > >>>>>>>> fact that we're so brutally non-complaint with Android UI > > guidelines > > >>>>>>>> instead of just ignoring it. I'll probably bring this up and > > >> present > > >>>>>>>> more source code when it's ready to explain why we need this > > feature > > >>>>>>>> in the next couple of weeks, and why it's important to respect > the > > >>>>>>>> platform, even when the platform doesn't respect the web. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>> GOFG - Get On Fat Guy > > >>>>>>> http://www.gofg.at/ - powered by Cordova > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>> -- > > >>>>> GOFG - Get On Fat Guy > > >>>>> http://www.gofg.at/ - powered by Cordova > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> Carlos Santana > > >>>> <csantan...@gmail.com<mailto:csantan...@gmail.com>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> Carlos Santana > > >>> <csantan...@gmail.com<mailto:csantan...@gmail.com>> > > >> > > > > > > > >
