Thanks, Jan.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 5:18 PM, Jan Lehnardt <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> 3. if you disagree with employing a “Yes, and…”-style in the CouchDB
> community, make a counter proposal that you think gets us to a better
> culture.
>

TL;DR = We are doing that; but what is "better"? To me, it means fun and
enjoyable.

## Long version

I think everybody is indeed making proposals for better culture. However,
it sounds to me like we never really defined "better" (at least in this
thread). Different (successful) communities can make different conclusions
about that.

The code of conduct is a rough guide of "good" culture. It sets the minimum
standard, but not the maximum

Apache CouchDB is not a corporate, professional product; it is an open
source, volunteer project. It should *not* meet professional standards, but
it should rather meet fun standards. In other words, if it feels like a
job, a slog, to work on CouchDB, then that's just no fun. At its best,
CouchDB is fun and relaxed.

I mean: let's just step back and look at CouchDB for a moment. Like, what
are we even talking about? We have embedded JavaScript inside of Erlang,
and the whole thing is a web server. That is on its face just completely
bonkers. That's great! It's beautiful! But it's bonkers, no question. I
would enjoy a community that is similarly light-hearted and leisurely.

When I read a post on the list, I pretend somebody wrote it in their spare
time, and my own objective when engaging them is to try to make them feel
like it was *leisure* time well-spent.

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