Maybe it's time everyone took a break from this thread.

I'd suggest we all take a day and revisit.

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 11:33 AM Naomi S <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 at 20:18, Ross Gardler
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > This is getting off topic.
> >
>
> strong disagree. Sage has (very patiently, and helpfully) reminded us of
> the proposal they already outlined that addresses our concerns about
> neutrality
>
> We don't pay for development.
>
>
> as David mentioned earlier, at one point, we also "didn't use GitHub".
> things can change. thankfully. the question is how many volunteers do we
> want to burn through before we arrive at that change
>
> I just wish the people arguing that we shouldn't fund Outreachy would pick
> a single position ("don't pay for code is axiomatic" or "don't pay for code
> is about neutrality") and stick with it so that discussion can actually
> make any progress
>
> when the proposal to fund Outreachy was first made, we were told: "we don't
> pay for code". when we asked why, we were told: "because it affects our
> ability to neutral". now, after addressing our ability to be neutral with
> our proposal, we are being told "we don't pay for code". and round again we
> go
>
> you'll excuse me if, after going around this loop-de-loop for the umpteenth
> time, I'm starting to think that I'm wasting my time. and that's not to
> mention how upsetting it is being insulted for even trying to follow the
> argument (cf. Jim's email about him being "embarrassed" he has to "explain"
> things to me while switching which argument he's choosing to make)
>

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