Ok. So how can ASF and Outreachy work together under the general fund to further the missions of both organizations?
Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> ________________________________ From: Sage Sharp <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 5:06:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Outreachy framework proposal The grey areas of that policy seem to exactly overlap with the requirements for Outreachy internships. Even if it's a non-programming internship, the results of the internships must be publicly available. That probably rules out any of the non-programming projects I listed under the rules of thumb you outlined. It does sound like a donation to the Outreachy general fund would work. Sage Sharp Outreachy Organizer On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 4:59 PM Ross Gardler <[email protected]> wrote: > The policy (like most in the ASF) is Grey at the edges. Strictly speaking > it's that we don't pay for anything the project communities should do for > themselves. > > It gets confusing when talking about infra, marketing, legal etc. Which we > pay for. > > As a general rule of thumb (not a firm policy IMHO) if it goes into the > projects version control then it should not be paid for by the foundation. > This would include docs and training. > > Another rule of thumb I use (again not firm policy) is that if it impacts > the potential for others to monetize around the software then the ASF > should not pay for it. So docs and training materials would be out by that > guiding principle. > > I agree there is no policy against ASF paying for general fund work. > However, this would have to fully align with the mission of the foundation. > Part of which is to support the creation of communities around our > projects. This, I believe, fits both the D&I and Outreachy goals in this > conversation. > > Ross > > Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> > > > > From: Sage Sharp > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 4:48 PM > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Outreachy framework proposal > To: [email protected] > > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 3:26 PM Ross Gardler > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I'm on my mobile and not able to conduct a full search of the project > site > > but... > > > > It is a fact that the ASF does not pay for code, by design. Nobody here > > has the right to ignore that. Challenge it, through the membership, sure. > > But do not ignore it. > > > > Is the ASF policy limited to *software*? Does ASF also have a policy for > not paying for documentation, translation, graphical design, or user > experience work? Outreachy internships are not limited to programming. > > Additionally, there is no policy that prevents the ASF from contributing > directly to the Outreachy general fund and specifying that the funding not > go towards internships or creating software. The funds can go towards > running the Outreachy program, which takes approximately 400 organizer > hours per round. It could go towards running career and interview workshops > for Outreachy interns. The funds would have to not go towards improving the > Outreachy internship website, although that code would certainly would not > compete with any ASF member projects. > > Sage Sharp > Outreachy Organizer > > >
