On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 2:45 PM Jim Jagielski <[email protected]> wrote: > > Not sure how you can say that considering the links I showed. Are you saying > that I, and Ross, and Dirk, and Greg, and Brett, and Phil, and Shane, and > et.al.... are all mistaken? How many more do you need?... Heck, it's even in > a press release: > > > https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2019/03/26/1767348/0/en/The-Apache-Software-Foundation-Celebrates-20-Years-of-Community-led-Development-The-Apache-Way.html > > "The ASF does not pay for development: thousands of committed individuals > help make a difference to the lives of billions of people by ensuring that > Apache software remains accessible to all." > > How about: > > https://community.apache.org/newbiefaq.html > > https://medium.com/@shanecurcuru/how-apache-really-works-995a091a72d3 > > https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html > > It is clear as day, except for those who find it convenient to ignore it or > "blur" it.
You were doing well up until the last line, which is a code of conduct violation. Ignoring that last line... I'll quote Myrle. Just so it is not out of context, you can see the full text at [1] As Roman already said elsethread, it is basically limited to what lands in a community github/svn repository. But. We just approved funds for an ASF-wide website redesign. And we do pay producers to run our events, including website hosting and CMS systems, and I'm quite certain they use some of their time contributing to open source projects like Drupal. And we also pay for capturing statistics about our projects which requires software development. So there's a lot of gray around the edges. The pattern as I see it (and I'm not always in-line with my fellow directors, so take this with a grain of salt ; o), is that if the expenditures go through Marketing & Publicity or through Infra or through Events, they don't get questioned. This is because they are viewed more as foundation-wide services with code as a by-product. And I will provide an inconvenient fact: https://selfserve.apache.org/. That side was coded my contractors paid for with ASF funds. Categorical statements that we don't pay for code are false. We should instead be exploring what the limits are. - Sam Ruby [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/c9432b1d2d7e6f82b9e6f23625f426c377d786a5e43b0eb963b25219@%3Cdev.diversity.apache.org%3E > On 2019/06/27 18:18:31, Sam Ruby <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 2:10 PM Jim Jagielski <[email protected]> wrote: > > [snip] > > > > I'll just note that the new subject line is factually incorrect. What > > is correct is considerably more nuanced, and perhaps not widely > > understood. > > > > - Sam Ruby > >
