You have my full support, Gris. Thanks for having the call and for bringing the info back to the list. I'll digest this overnight and email if I have any questions.
-Joan On 2019-07-08 15:00, Griselda Cuevas wrote: > Thanks Myrle, and thank you Kevin for your intention to guide me. > > Even when I might be relatively new to the ASF (been here for 2 years), I > want to clarify that this wasn't a "newbie mistake", I understand > transparency is key in the Apache Way. I intentionally didn't invite the > entire committee because this was a meeting I needed in order to make an > informed decision on how to move forward once we sorted other matters. > > The Apache Way encourages transparency and I honored that by bringing back > to the list the result of a meeting I called, I didn't make a decision nor > hide the outcome. > > I anticipate that I will continue to have more meetings where I won't be > able to invite the entire committee and I'd appreciate not to continue > being corrected for that. I'm saying this not because I'm too proud or > don't want to live by the Apache Way, I'm saying this because I want to get > the freedom to work on my own style and also set the stage for other in > this committee to do it. > > One more point I'd like to make is that, there is no need for the entire > committee to be in every single discussion or project. There are so many > initiatives, and we are short in hands. I'd love for us to be a team where > we trust each other and we can delegate and lead. > > I hope you understand where I am coming from. > G > > On Mon, 8 Jul 2019 at 10:34, Myrle Krantz <[email protected]> wrote: > >> A reminder Kevin, >> >> While it is important to work to achieve buy-in from the many volunteers >> Gris will need to help with the work, D&I is *not* a traditional PMC. >> Think of it more like conferences. Precisely because such efforts have, in >> the past, been literally talked to death, the board chose a different >> structure for this D&I project: Gris both needs, *and* *has* the right >> to operate as VP Diversity, as she has done here. >> >> What's more: she has already put in an *enormous* amount of effort to >> achieve buy-in from the volunteers here. So even though she has the right >> to make executive decisions, she's clearly not making them without >> consultation. Gris is doing what I, as a board member, intended her to be >> able to do when I voted for both the first and the second resolution on >> D&I. I have full faith in both her ability to continue doing it, and in >> Sam's ability to call Gris to accounts if she slips out of the bounds of >> that role. >> >> Best Regards, >> Myrle >> >> On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 7:04 PM Kevin A. McGrail <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> On 7/8/2019 12:51 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: >>>> "If it didn't happen on the list it didn't happen" does not mean >> nothing >>> can happen in this way, only that decisions are not made without time for >>> community feedback and engagement. >>>> >>>> No problem in this case. Thank you for keeping things moving. >>> >>> Ross, >>> >>> The committee not being notified it was happening and not extending the >>> invite to others on list is a no-no. >>> >>> For similar complaints, see Sally's complaint on June 2nd for the >>> Hackathon meetings with too little notice for the bridge information on >>> planners@. Luckily Rich had emailed about it previously so this was >>> just the logistics details and more announcements were made since. >>> >>> We need to give Gris and others new to Apache correct guidance. Using >>> synchronous comms especially meetings without everyone invited are >>> pitfalls for a lack of inclusion and definitely not in line with the >>> Apache Way. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> KAM >>> >>> >> >
