I will be negative 1 and say that planners, also not a traditional pmc, just had a complaint last month for this exact type of issue. Made by Sally Khudairi.
Regards, KAM On Mon, Jul 8, 2019, 14:05 Ross Gardler <[email protected]> wrote: > +1 > > --- > > Sent from my phone, likely while waking down the stars and having a > conversation. Sorry about my carelessness, I blame the machines. > > ________________________________ > From: Griselda Cuevas <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, July 8, 2019 8:00:46 PM > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Need to Invite Committee Members to meetings was Re: Recap > from call w/ Outreachy's team > > Thanks Myrle, and thank you Kevin for your intention to guide me. > > Even when I might be relatively new to the ASF (been here for 2 years), I > want to clarify that this wasn't a "newbie mistake", I understand > transparency is key in the Apache Way. I intentionally didn't invite the > entire committee because this was a meeting I needed in order to make an > informed decision on how to move forward once we sorted other matters. > > The Apache Way encourages transparency and I honored that by bringing back > to the list the result of a meeting I called, I didn't make a decision nor > hide the outcome. > > I anticipate that I will continue to have more meetings where I won't be > able to invite the entire committee and I'd appreciate not to continue > being corrected for that. I'm saying this not because I'm too proud or > don't want to live by the Apache Way, I'm saying this because I want to get > the freedom to work on my own style and also set the stage for other in > this committee to do it. > > One more point I'd like to make is that, there is no need for the entire > committee to be in every single discussion or project. There are so many > initiatives, and we are short in hands. I'd love for us to be a team where > we trust each other and we can delegate and lead. > > I hope you understand where I am coming from. > G > > On Mon, 8 Jul 2019 at 10:34, Myrle Krantz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > A reminder Kevin, > > > > While it is important to work to achieve buy-in from the many volunteers > > Gris will need to help with the work, D&I is *not* a traditional PMC. > > Think of it more like conferences. Precisely because such efforts have, > in > > the past, been literally talked to death, the board chose a different > > structure for this D&I project: Gris both needs, *and* *has* the right > > to operate as VP Diversity, as she has done here. > > > > What's more: she has already put in an *enormous* amount of effort to > > achieve buy-in from the volunteers here. So even though she has the > right > > to make executive decisions, she's clearly not making them without > > consultation. Gris is doing what I, as a board member, intended her to > be > > able to do when I voted for both the first and the second resolution on > > D&I. I have full faith in both her ability to continue doing it, and in > > Sam's ability to call Gris to accounts if she slips out of the bounds of > > that role. > > > > Best Regards, > > Myrle > > > > On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 7:04 PM Kevin A. McGrail <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > On 7/8/2019 12:51 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > > > > "If it didn't happen on the list it didn't happen" does not mean > > nothing > > > can happen in this way, only that decisions are not made without time > for > > > community feedback and engagement. > > > > > > > > No problem in this case. Thank you for keeping things moving. > > > > > > Ross, > > > > > > The committee not being notified it was happening and not extending the > > > invite to others on list is a no-no. > > > > > > For similar complaints, see Sally's complaint on June 2nd for the > > > Hackathon meetings with too little notice for the bridge information on > > > planners@. Luckily Rich had emailed about it previously so this was > > > just the logistics details and more announcements were made since. > > > > > > We need to give Gris and others new to Apache correct guidance. Using > > > synchronous comms especially meetings without everyone invited are > > > pitfalls for a lack of inclusion and definitely not in line with the > > > Apache Way. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > KAM > > > > > > > > >
