Thanks Myrle, and thank you Kevin for your intention to guide me. Even when I might be relatively new to the ASF (been here for 2 years), I want to clarify that this wasn't a "newbie mistake", I understand transparency is key in the Apache Way. I intentionally didn't invite the entire committee because this was a meeting I needed in order to make an informed decision on how to move forward once we sorted other matters.
The Apache Way encourages transparency and I honored that by bringing back to the list the result of a meeting I called, I didn't make a decision nor hide the outcome. I anticipate that I will continue to have more meetings where I won't be able to invite the entire committee and I'd appreciate not to continue being corrected for that. I'm saying this not because I'm too proud or don't want to live by the Apache Way, I'm saying this because I want to get the freedom to work on my own style and also set the stage for other in this committee to do it. One more point I'd like to make is that, there is no need for the entire committee to be in every single discussion or project. There are so many initiatives, and we are short in hands. I'd love for us to be a team where we trust each other and we can delegate and lead. I hope you understand where I am coming from. G On Mon, 8 Jul 2019 at 10:34, Myrle Krantz <[email protected]> wrote: > A reminder Kevin, > > While it is important to work to achieve buy-in from the many volunteers > Gris will need to help with the work, D&I is *not* a traditional PMC. > Think of it more like conferences. Precisely because such efforts have, in > the past, been literally talked to death, the board chose a different > structure for this D&I project: Gris both needs, *and* *has* the right > to operate as VP Diversity, as she has done here. > > What's more: she has already put in an *enormous* amount of effort to > achieve buy-in from the volunteers here. So even though she has the right > to make executive decisions, she's clearly not making them without > consultation. Gris is doing what I, as a board member, intended her to be > able to do when I voted for both the first and the second resolution on > D&I. I have full faith in both her ability to continue doing it, and in > Sam's ability to call Gris to accounts if she slips out of the bounds of > that role. > > Best Regards, > Myrle > > On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 7:04 PM Kevin A. McGrail <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > On 7/8/2019 12:51 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > > > "If it didn't happen on the list it didn't happen" does not mean > nothing > > can happen in this way, only that decisions are not made without time for > > community feedback and engagement. > > > > > > No problem in this case. Thank you for keeping things moving. > > > > Ross, > > > > The committee not being notified it was happening and not extending the > > invite to others on list is a no-no. > > > > For similar complaints, see Sally's complaint on June 2nd for the > > Hackathon meetings with too little notice for the bridge information on > > planners@. Luckily Rich had emailed about it previously so this was > > just the logistics details and more announcements were made since. > > > > We need to give Gris and others new to Apache correct guidance. Using > > synchronous comms especially meetings without everyone invited are > > pitfalls for a lack of inclusion and definitely not in line with the > > Apache Way. > > > > Regards, > > > > KAM > > > > >
