Yes, I was referring to Kylin et al. And I see that you also completely missed my point, not even attempting to see it, but I won't beat dead horses.
Niclas On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 2:12 PM Ted Dunning <[email protected]> wrote: > Nicolas, > > We do have enormous parts of the world which do not participate much in > Apache (and thus are isolated) > > There are limits to participation ... perhaps not EXplicit limits, but > there are definitely IMplicit limitations. > > And please provide some basis for your claim that there are Apache projects > are do not have a majority of straight white males. In fact, I will up the > ante .. let's say straight white males from the US and western Europe. Are > you thinking of a few groups like Singa or Kylin that have a surprisingly > large number of participants from Asia? Those are almost the exception that > proves the rule. > > And, by the way, the argument for diversity is a bit more substantial than > your strawman argument. The real argument is that diverse experience and > expertise leads to better solutions because with a community made up of > nearly identical members, these members will tend to have very similar > blindspots. A great example of this is ASCII. The developers (English > speakers in the US in the late 50's and early 60's) saw no real problem > with omitting ü, å, ø and ñ. Even when the community broadened to include > speakers of German, Danish, French, Spanish, Swedish and other languages, > it took many decades to correct the limitations of ASCII. More diversity > earlier would have saved some of that pain. I have seen many other examples > in my career where early designs had horrendous problems that could have > easily been avoided with a bit broader set of points of view. A > mono-culture may get started more quickly and be more comfortable early on, > but a diverse community is likely to give us a much better result. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 6:14 PM Niclas Hedhman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The argument goes something like this (strawman warning); By expanding > our > > communities with identifiably under-represented groups (that should have > an > > interest in what the ASF is doing) will bring additional points of view, > > new ideas, ways to do things, cultural input to the software and such. > > > > Personally, I don't think our communities are like society as a whole, > > because a) we are not isolated geographically, b) has no limitation on > > joining our efforts and c) straight, white males is an under represented > > group in some projects, and answering "why?" for that, will most likely > > answer the question on a broader scale for what makes ASF different. But > > that is probably a too sensitive topic to touch on... > > > > Niclas > > > > On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 2:52 AM Awasum Yannick <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > Do we have resources on the advantages of D&I to the Foundation and > Tech > > > industry in general? > > > > > > I know this has been touched in different threads all over the lists > but > > I > > > wanted a separate thread to really understand the advantages. > > > > > > Is it about under represented people participating and contributing > their > > > opinions and experience to make a project, product or community better? > > > > > > I am interesting in the real benefit of D&I to people who are well > > > represented. What will motivate an over represented person to do D&I > > work? > > > Is there a logical advantage or benefit to them? > > > > > > Sorry, if this is off topic but I have not been able to answer it from > > the > > > perspective of an over represented person. Because, I keep asking > myself > > > why will someone who enjoy privilege be willing to change things if > they > > > dont see a benefit for them(self interest). > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > Awasum. > > > > > > > > > -- > > Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer > > http://polygene.apache.org - New Energy for Java > > > -- Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer http://polygene.apache.org - New Energy for Java
