Well, this is kind of ComDev stuff, but anyhow... I am not particularly fond of the "Comment can reasonably be expected to provoke an angry response", because it is incredibly subjective, as well as impossible to predict future. Possibly change that bullet point to "Comment is using too much emotional language and can easily be misunderstood". Similar tuning in others, but not important at this point.
Instead, I think moderation should not have any different standards than the reason for being put on moderation in the first place. Which means that we should delegate back to ComDev's guidelines[1][2], and if they are not adequate then patch it there. One bit that I think is missing; * "Try to avoid using emotionally loaded language, avoid assigning fault and avoid absolute stipulations" Of course, examples would help greatly. So, I would like to suggest that a) In the Netiquette guidelines it may be good to have "If the netiquette rules not followed, you might be put on moderation after N warnings. This moderation is limited to X days. Each community within ASF defines N and X." b) Moderation guidelines should also be in ComDev, as a resource for other projects/lists. The above list is a starting point there. c) VP D&I should then set the X and N for these lists, but the higher those numbers are, the more backlash can be expected. maybe 30 and 2 are reasonable... d) After X days, moderators should evaluate if the person has improved the behavior, and if extension is required, need to point to the posts that were rejected and not improved upon successfully, and I suggest that decision is posted on private@ [1] http://community.apache.org/contributors/etiquette [2] http://www.apache.org/dev/contrib-email-tips // Niclas On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 3:05 AM Myrle Krantz <[email protected]> wrote: > Hey all, > > We've started a discussion on the first draft of some moderation guidelines > on private@diversity, and after a couple of short rounds, we decided it > would be more appropriate to discuss here on the public list. > > The document in question is already public here: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/EDI/Draft+moderation+guidelines > > This is a very early draft, that has mostly been the results of > improvisational moderating. Your feedback is quite welcome. > > Anyone who's already made comments on the private list is welcome to move > them here. I'm going to skip it with mine for a little bit, not because I > feel the need to hide them, but because I'm quite tired, and I need to get > some other stuff done. > > : o), > Myrle >
