Hey D&I peeps, I've added a point to the moderation guidelines:
Problem: *"Post contains ad hominem unnecessarily used to support an argument. (For example "Your claim is mendacious.")"* Desired result for the community: *"Help all participants collaborate in a constructive manner, while still allowing substantive disagreement."* Moderation comment: *"The phrase "<phrase>"* *...contains an inappropriate attack on one or more fellow discussion participants. Please remove or reformulate the phrase in your e-mail and resend your comments. For example, if you wrote "Your claim is mendacious" you could replace that phrase with "Your claim is false" or simply delete it."* Your thoughts? Best, Myrle On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 12:26 PM Myrle Krantz <[email protected]> wrote: > Hey all, > > I'm not detecting a strong preference from the group here. Naomi is > strongly in favor of the provision. Patricia is strongly against it, > Awasum is against it. > > I'm going to remove this moderation guideline. This can be changed again > if we can detect a pattern of abuse or that we'd like to put a stop to or > something else happens that causes the community to develop their opinion > further. I would like us to be flexible in growing our moderation > guidelines as we learn each other's preferences and develop our > understanding of how we want to interact as a community. > > Best, > Myrle > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 8:26 PM Awasum Yannick <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I prefer a situation where anyone call out poor behaviour as they arise >> here...onsite..in public. I will prefer we allow people to make their >> opinions known even if at times they might be off topic or not appropriate >> for some people. >> >> We should rather call out bad behaviour here. Even if there becomes a need >> to suspend or put somebody under moderation, this action should not >> persist >> for too long (moderate/suspend someone for 30 days and then allow them to >> post without moderation and see if the VERY bad behaviour continues). >> >> I say this because I believe that at times chaos is a pathway to growth. >> {The next few sentences might be off topic to this thread but I will just >> go ahead and say them.} >> >> Look at the thread which brought about the creation of this D&I committee >> for example. I mean the one on ComDev. It was chaotic and went on for >> weeks >> but the outcome was that the Apache Community learnt that we had a >> diversity problem and that action was needed and was taken. >> >> I dont know about you all but the other chaotic discussion here >> surrounding >> Outreachy and "Pay for Development" or not was an educational experience >> for me. I learnt how to argue, learnt English, learnt about the Apache >> way. >> it was not pretty at times but I think humans are resilient enough to >> handle some of these issues. We came out of it and are now moving into the >> implementation phase of things. I think the discussions we had during that >> time was worth it. Some eggs might have been broken but overall, I will >> say >> freedom for people to express themselves is a good thing and we should >> maintain it. >> >> In concluding, I will say, we should not actively police this mailing list >> with rules and regulations but to socially, diplomatically and politely >> call out bad behaviour preferably in private. people do want to do good >> and >> be good. >> >> >> Thanks. >> Awasum >> >> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 6:36 PM Naomi S <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > I want the moderation team to be a team of people trusted by the VP D&I >> to >> > make the call re who is trolling or not. that is subjective, and it is, >> for >> > sure, going to come down to shared values. but it's important for this >> > initiative that we can assert a coherent set of shared values >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 at 19:33, Myrle Krantz <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 12:25 PM Patricia Shanahan <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > >> > > > I don't think there is a way, because one person's troll may be >> another >> > > > person's sincerely held and strongly expressed opinion. >> > > > >> > > > My preference would be to drop it completely. The CoC already covers >> > the >> > > > cases that I think should be restricted. We are all adults here. If >> > > > someone wants to make the rest of the mailing list participants >> think >> > > > they are rude and inconsiderate, they should be let do so. >> > > > >> > > >> > > I'd like to hear what the rest of the committee prefers. I can accept >> > > either approach. >> > > >> > > The options are: >> > > 1.) Continue to block trolling. Either use the existing wording or >> look >> > > for a better wording. >> > > 2.) Not block trolling in technical moderation, but fall back to >> social >> > > moderation. Some trolling may fall under other rules (for example, >> list >> > > relevance). >> > > >> > > Best Regards, >> > > Myrle >> > > >> > >> >
