On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 1:29 AM Patricia Shanahan <[email protected]> wrote:

> I am very troubled by "provoke an angry response". Sometimes, things
> need to be said that will anger a significant portion of people on the
> list.
>

You're right, Patricia.  The wording *is*problematic.  What I'm trying to
capture here is trolling.  That is: writing emails which  are intended to
stir things up rather than move a conversation forward.  But the word
"trolling" is all about intention.  Intention is hard to determine reliably
and easy to deny.  And maybe only marginally relevant.  So I'm trying to
relate this to the effect on the community instead.  Do you have an idea as
to how to phrase this better?

For example, the whole targeted moderation plan could not have been
> announced on any ASF list with that rule in effect. That announcement
> clearly provoked an angry response, and could have reasonably been
> expected to do so.
>

Yes this is a very good counter-example.

Best,
Myrle

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