Hi Max, Thank you for your input.
According to ASF policy[1], the Thank Page is intended to thank third parties that provide physical resources like machines, services, and software that the committers or the project truly needs. I agree with Tison, such donation is countable and that's why I started this discussion to collect the full list. The thank Page is not intended to thank working hours or contributions from individual volunteers which I think is recognized in other ways (e.g., credit of committer and PMC member). Best, Jark [1]: https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking#projectthanks On Wed, 6 Mar 2024 at 01:14, tison <wander4...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Max, > > Thanks for sharing your concerns :D > > I'd elaborate a bit on this topic with an example, that Apache Airflow > has a small section for its special sponsor who offers machines for CI > also [1]. > > In my understanding, companies employ developers to invest time in the > development of Flink and that is large, vague, and hard to be fair to > list all of the companies. > > However, physical resources like CI machines are countable and they > help the sustainability of our project in a rare way different than > individuals (few individuals can donate such resources). We can > maintain such a section or page for those sponsors so that it also > decreases the friction when the company asks "what we can gain" (for > explicit credits, at least, and easy understanding). > > Any entity is welcome to add themselves as long as it's valid. > > For the fair part, I'm not an employee of both companies listed on the > demo page and I don't feel uncomfortable. Those companies do invest a > lot on our project and I'd regard it as a chance to encourage other > companies to follow. > > Best, > tison. > > [1] https://github.com/apache/airflow?tab=readme-ov-file#sponsors > > Maximilian Michels <m...@apache.org> 于2024年3月6日周三 00:49写道： > > > > I'm a bit torn on this idea. On the one hand, it makes sense to thank > > sponsors and entities who have supported Flink in the past. On other > > hand, this list is bound to be incomplete and maybe also biased, even > > if not intended to be so. I think the power of open-source comes from > > the unconditional donation of code and knowledge. Infrastructure costs > > are a reality and donations in that area are meaningful, but they are > > just one piece of the total sum which consists of many volunteers and > > working hours. In my eyes, a Thank You page would have to display each > > entity fairly which is going to be hard to achieve. > > > > -Max > > > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 2:30 PM Jingsong Li <jingsongl...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > +1 for setting up > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 5:39 PM Jing Ge <j...@ververica.com.invalid> > wrote: > > > > > > > > +1 and thanks for the proposal! > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Jing > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 10:26 AM tison <wander4...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I like this idea, so +1 for setting up. > > > > > > > > > > For anyone who have the access, this is a related thread about > > > > > project-wise sponsor in the foundation level [1]. > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > tison. > > > > > > > > > > [1] > https://lists.apache.org/thread/2nv0x9gfk9lfnpb2315xgywyx84y97v6 > > > > > > > > > > Jark Wu <imj...@gmail.com> 于2024年3月5日周二 17:17写道： > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, I posted the wrong [7] link. The Flink benchmark ML link > is: > > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/bkw6ozoflgltwfwmzjtgx522hyssfko6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 at 16:56, Jark Wu <imj...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to propose adding a "Special Thanks" page to our Apache > Flink > > > > > website [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to honor and appreciate the > > > > > > > companies and organizations that have sponsored > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > machines or services for our project. The establishment of > such a page > > > > > serves as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a public acknowledgment of our sponsors' contributions and > > > > > simultaneously acts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a positive encouragement for other entities to consider > supporting > > > > > our project. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adding Per-Project Thanks pages is allowed by ASF policy[2], > which > > > > > says "PMCs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may wish to provide recognition for third parties that provide > > > > > software or services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the project's committers to further the goals of the > project. These > > > > > are typically > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called Per-Project Thanks pages". Many Apache projects have > added such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pages, for example, Apache HBase[3] and Apache Mina[4]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To initiate this idea, I have drafted a preliminary page under > the > > > > > > > "About" menu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the > > > > > > > Flink website to specifically thank Alibaba and Ververica, by > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the ASF guidelines and the Apache Mina project. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > page image: > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/flink/assets/5378924/e51aaffe-565e-46d1-90af-3900904afcc0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Below companies are on the thanks list for their donation to > Flink > > > > > testing infrastructure: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Alibaba donated 8 machines (32vCPU,64GB) for running Flink > CI builds > > > > > [5]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Ververica donated 2 machines for hosting flink-ci > repositories [6] > > > > > and running Flink benchmarks [7]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I may miss some other donations or companies, please add them > if you > > > > > know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to your feedback about this proposal! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]: https://flink.apache.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [2]: > https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking#projectthanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [3]: https://hbase.apache.org/sponsors.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [4]: https://mina.apache.org/special-thanks.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [5]: > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/Azure+Pipelines#AzurePipelines-AvailableCustomBuildMachines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [6]: > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/Continuous+Integration > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [7]: > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/41a68c775753a7841896690c75438e0a497634102e676db880f30225@%3Cdev.flink.apache.org%3E > > > > > > > > > > > > >
