Thanks for Jark's proposal, and I'm +1 for adding such a page. The CI infrastructure helps the Apache Flink project to run well. I cannot imagine how insufficient CI machines would impact the development progress, especially when the feature freeze date is close. And I believe that most guys who contributed to the community would not know Alibaba and Ververica had ever donated several machines to make the community work smoothly for years.
Best Yun Tang ________________________________ From: Jark Wu <imj...@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2024 11:35 To: dev@flink.apache.org <dev@flink.apache.org> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Add "Special Thanks" Page on the Flink Website Hi Max, Thank you for your input. According to ASF policy[1], the Thank Page is intended to thank third parties that provide physical resources like machines, services, and software that the committers or the project truly needs. I agree with Tison, such donation is countable and that's why I started this discussion to collect the full list. The thank Page is not intended to thank working hours or contributions from individual volunteers which I think is recognized in other ways (e.g., credit of committer and PMC member). Best, Jark [1]: https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking#projectthanks On Wed, 6 Mar 2024 at 01:14, tison <wander4...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Max, > > Thanks for sharing your concerns :D > > I'd elaborate a bit on this topic with an example, that Apache Airflow > has a small section for its special sponsor who offers machines for CI > also [1]. > > In my understanding, companies employ developers to invest time in the > development of Flink and that is large, vague, and hard to be fair to > list all of the companies. > > However, physical resources like CI machines are countable and they > help the sustainability of our project in a rare way different than > individuals (few individuals can donate such resources). We can > maintain such a section or page for those sponsors so that it also > decreases the friction when the company asks "what we can gain" (for > explicit credits, at least, and easy understanding). > > Any entity is welcome to add themselves as long as it's valid. > > For the fair part, I'm not an employee of both companies listed on the > demo page and I don't feel uncomfortable. Those companies do invest a > lot on our project and I'd regard it as a chance to encourage other > companies to follow. > > Best, > tison. > > [1] https://github.com/apache/airflow?tab=readme-ov-file#sponsors > > Maximilian Michels <m...@apache.org> 于2024年3月6日周三 00:49写道： > > > > I'm a bit torn on this idea. On the one hand, it makes sense to thank > > sponsors and entities who have supported Flink in the past. On other > > hand, this list is bound to be incomplete and maybe also biased, even > > if not intended to be so. I think the power of open-source comes from > > the unconditional donation of code and knowledge. Infrastructure costs > > are a reality and donations in that area are meaningful, but they are > > just one piece of the total sum which consists of many volunteers and > > working hours. In my eyes, a Thank You page would have to display each > > entity fairly which is going to be hard to achieve. > > > > -Max > > > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 2:30 PM Jingsong Li <jingsongl...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > +1 for setting up > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 5:39 PM Jing Ge <j...@ververica.com.invalid> > wrote: > > > > > > > > +1 and thanks for the proposal! > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Jing > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 10:26 AM tison <wander4...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I like this idea, so +1 for setting up. > > > > > > > > > > For anyone who have the access, this is a related thread about > > > > > project-wise sponsor in the foundation level [1]. > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > tison. > > > > > > > > > > [1] > https://lists.apache.org/thread/2nv0x9gfk9lfnpb2315xgywyx84y97v6 > > > > > > > > > > Jark Wu <imj...@gmail.com> 于2024年3月5日周二 17:17写道： > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, I posted the wrong [7] link. The Flink benchmark ML link > is: > > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/bkw6ozoflgltwfwmzjtgx522hyssfko6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 at 16:56, Jark Wu <imj...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to propose adding a "Special Thanks" page to our Apache > Flink > > > > > website [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to honor and appreciate the > > > > > > > companies and organizations that have sponsored > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > machines or services for our project. The establishment of > such a page > > > > > serves as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a public acknowledgment of our sponsors' contributions and > > > > > simultaneously acts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a positive encouragement for other entities to consider > supporting > > > > > our project. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adding Per-Project Thanks pages is allowed by ASF policy[2], > which > > > > > says "PMCs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may wish to provide recognition for third parties that provide > > > > > software or services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the project's committers to further the goals of the > project. These > > > > > are typically > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called Per-Project Thanks pages". Many Apache projects have > added such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pages, for example, Apache HBase[3] and Apache Mina[4]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To initiate this idea, I have drafted a preliminary page under > the > > > > > > > "About" menu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the > > > > > > > Flink website to specifically thank Alibaba and Ververica, by > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the ASF guidelines and the Apache Mina project. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > page image: > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/flink/assets/5378924/e51aaffe-565e-46d1-90af-3900904afcc0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Below companies are on the thanks list for their donation to > Flink > > > > > testing infrastructure: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Alibaba donated 8 machines (32vCPU,64GB) for running Flink > CI builds > > > > > [5]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Ververica donated 2 machines for hosting flink-ci > repositories [6] > > > > > and running Flink benchmarks [7]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I may miss some other donations or companies, please add them > if you > > > > > know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to your feedback about this proposal! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]: https://flink.apache.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [2]: > https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking#projectthanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [3]: https://hbase.apache.org/sponsors.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [4]: https://mina.apache.org/special-thanks.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [5]: > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/Azure+Pipelines#AzurePipelines-AvailableCustomBuildMachines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [6]: > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/Continuous+Integration > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [7]: > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/41a68c775753a7841896690c75438e0a497634102e676db880f30225@%3Cdev.flink.apache.org%3E > > > > > > > > > > > > >
