I have added a sentence to the end of the "How has the project developed since the last report?" part after you have signed :
There was also progress related to tooling, though those projects are outside the ASF (Eclipse plugin at JBoss, and the Online Template Tester at Kenshoo). I hope it's not a problem. More inline below... Sunday, July 3, 2016, 4:12:22 PM, David E Jones wrote: > > The report looks good Daniel, signed. > > I like the way the third point about the community is worded. I’ve > been traveling and out for a bit so haven’t commented on the > community versus graduation discussion, but it seems a good stance > to take for now (work on building community with more committers and > such, but explore graduation with the community as-is). (BTW, I think the "-incubating" suffix in the Maven repo is discouraging for the users. They think it's some kind of preview release. Heck, http://mvnrepository.com/ even marks it automatically with a red "alpha".) > From what I understand of ASF practices and IPMC preferences more > committers, and from various companies/organizations, would help a > lot to smooth the way to graduation and setup the project for a > longer term stable community. Perhaps between the committers and the > PMC already planned for it is adequate and a graduation vote would > pass, I don’t know. When the project was accepted into the Incubator, it was clear that it's an old project, and that it hardly ever will have companies around who will allocate employees on it. It was also clear that templating is not a hot topic for a long time now (as they might experienced at Velocity). So I think everyone knew that it will be like. Let they have let it in... let's hope because they though it can also get out of the Incubator alive. BTW, joining the ASF has clearly draw some attention, but getting someone to code for free is high bar. > FreeMarker is incredibly useful and I (perhaps like many others) > wish I had more time to contribute and even work toward becoming a > committer, but (also perhaps like many others) so much of my time > goes into other open source projects (well, plus all the work and > personal stuff that distracts us from these works ;) ) that it is > difficult to get into and stay involved with over time. Yeah, I know that. But occasional little contributions can mean a lot too. > Part of this is that FreeMarker just works, and works well, so even > for the fairly complex use I make of it in other projects and > efforts no changes are really needed. This might be a useful point > to bring up in the bid for graduation, and I think is similar to the > point Jacopo has been making. The project is very useful and perhaps > sustainable with the current code and community. Also, graduating from the Incubator would give more credit to the project, which can mean more contributions. It would be a bit daring to use this argument though... (-: > Also because of time constraints I haven’t volunteered to serve on > the FreeMarker PMC after graduation, but if it is needed or would be > helpful I would be happy to do so. You are FreeMarker power user, you have ideas about what to improve, has your own project that relies on FreeMarker quite much, so of course I would like you to be in the PMC. > -David > > >> On Jul 3, 2016, at 6:23 AM, Daniel Dekany <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Dear mentors! >> >> Please read and sign off our July podling report: >> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/July2016 >> >> -- >> Thanks, >> Daniel Dekany >> >> >> Friday, July 1, 2016, 9:09:13 PM, Daniel Dekany wrote: >> >>> How about this: >>> >>> 1. Discuss the project's graduation on the general list. >>> 2. Fill blanks left on the status page. >>> 3. Reaching a bigger community that will contribute code to the >>> project, though it remains to be seen if it's required before >>> graduation. >>> >>> Friday, July 1, 2016, 8:51:15 AM, Sergio Fernández wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 8:45 AM, Daniel Dekany <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> How do you mean this to be combined with "Discuss the project's >>>>> graduation on the general list"? >>>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, besides simply say "Discuss the project's graduation on the general >>>> list", be more concrete about the concrete potential issue. Maybe "Find >>>> more active contributors, discuss how to proceed without that" was too >>>> direct, but it's better to be direct than have the risk the board does not >>>> understand the real issue we're discussing here. >>>> >>>> Anyway, whatever working you use is fine for me. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thursday, June 30, 2016, 10:02:34 AM, Sergio Fernández wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Although I agree the wording could be a bit more positive, I think it's >>>>>> important to keep the first point from Daniel >>>>>> >>>>>> What about something like "Reach a bigger community that will contribute >>>>> to >>>>>> the project"? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 8:03 AM, Jacopo Cappellato < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Daniel, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the report looks good to me, thank you. >>>>>>> Maybe we could rephrase the following section: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ============================= >>>>>>> Most important issues to address in the move towards graduation: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. Find more active contributors, discuss how to proceed without that >>>>>>> 2. Fill blanks left on the status page >>>>>>> ============================= >>>>>>> >>>>>>> into this one: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ============================= >>>>>>> Most important issues to address in the move towards graduation: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. Make sure that the project's status page is updated >>>>>>> 2. Discuss the project's graduation on the general list >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ============================= >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jacopo >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 11:28 PM, Daniel Dekany <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here's what I intend to submit. Because we want to mention the >>>>>>>> graduation discussion, I thought it's better if you look at it first: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> FreeMarker >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> FreeMarker is a template engine, i.e. a generic tool to generate text >>>>>>>> output >>>>>>>> based on templates. FreeMarker is implemented in Java as a class >>>>> library >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> programmers. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> FreeMarker has been incubating since 2015-07-01. The FreeMarker >>>>> project >>>>>>>> exists and produces releases since around 2001. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Most important issues to address in the move towards graduation: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. Find more active contributors, discuss how to proceed without >>>>> that >>>>>>>> 2. Fill blanks left on the status page >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be >>>>>>>> aware of? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> None >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How has the community developed since the last report? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There were no changes >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How has the project developed since the last report? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The project has made a new public release, which come with new >>>>>>> features, >>>>>>>> bug fixes, >>>>>>>> and documentation improvements. Discussion was started about the >>>>>>>> possibility of >>>>>>>> graduation. Some missing information on the status page was filled, >>>>> and >>>>>>>> a formal >>>>>>>> "podling name search" was started. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Date of last release: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2016-06-26 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When were the last committers or PMC members elected? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2015-10-21 Nan Lei, committer (non-PMC) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Daniel Dekany >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Daniel Dekany >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > > -- Thanks, Daniel Dekany
