Well the damage (Mark caused by this) is done, neither now nor next week it can be fully undone;-O
However by following up on a constructive discussion whenever everyone is are ready after the weekend the cause of a configuration standard could probably be best served. If there's a Hangout etc. at a decent time happy to also join that. Cheers, Werner On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 8:00 PM, John D. Ament <[email protected]> wrote: > Werner, > > Let's keep Alan's proposed moratorium. > > John > > On Jul 15, 2016 13:56, "Werner Keil" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Former DeviceMap comitter and PMC chair Reza was also the original author > > of many parts of what he moved to GitHub in a fork, but folks like > Bertrand > > who's also on the Apache board were pretty clear, he must not continue to > > develop that under the "Apache" brand or "org.apache.*" as you did in > your > > private fork of "something". > > > > I am not even bothering to discuss the "javax.*" mistake further, it's > just > > wrong at the wrong time in the wrong place. > > > > The only good thing is a discussion in the Tamaya list about design > > aspects. > > > > This could have happened in a much more sensitive and more appropriate > way. > > > > People everywhere not just at Oracle look with great scrutiny at Open > > Source and as we see from the Java EE 8 discussion and all the resources > at > > Oracle and elsewhere drawn from Open Source into commercial, Closes > Source > > proprietary solutions instead of open standards. > > > > However, even if Oracle was to stop working on Java EE you must not > simply > > go and say "Oh, those lazy bones, I'm going to create my own Java > standard > > instead". > > Or what next, "Sorry W3C, you take way too long with HTML5, I now create > > HTML6 in my own GitHub repository and everyone will use it"?;-D > > > > You may have done this with the bet intentions, but did great damage to > the > > impression people have of Open Source, Open Java, the JCP and also > Apache. > > It helped only those who claim "those Open Source guys are a bunch of > > anarchists who can't make up their minds and don't produce anything of > > value". > > > > Not sure, if you really intended to do that, but that's how it went, so > > please try to be a little more thoughtful and ask people who are involved > > in the process (PMO or EC if you plan to file a JSR;-) next time. > > > > Cheers, > > Werner > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 10:44 AM, Mark Struberg <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Am 15.07.2016 um 09:31 schrieb Werner Keil <[email protected]>: > > > > > > > > Tamaya will know best, if it tolerates a fork of > > > > Geronimo in the way Mark created it. > > > > > > > > > Wow! Dude, you got something horribly wrong. > > > > > > That stuff is in no way a fork of Tamaya. It’s just the core bits I > wrote > > > in DeltaSpike configuration. > > > In DeltaSpike this exists since 2011. > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/deltaspike/commit/fb0131106481f0b9a8fdc13b9879a5482219c736 > > > > > > And the very core (various config sources ordered by a config_ordinal) > > > even dates back to my work in OpenWebBeans as of 2010 > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/openwebbeans/commit/eccc84cbba8d2e823f4aa0ab626e1d7560f78486 > > > Gerhard Petracek then also helped a great deal later in CODI and in > > > DeltaSpike. But that’s pretty much it. > > > > > > So who forked whom? … > > > To get this straight: I am the original author of this algorithm and > API > > > design. > > > > > > LieGrue, > > > strub > > >
