I think more important than whether or not JEE is popular (or whatever along those lines), are the questions about community health and is the PMC still capable of fulfilling its duties.
My 2 cents, --Alex On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Mark Struberg <[email protected]> wrote: > Romain and I went through the Geronimo SVN and made a list of which > components are used by other projects. > > > Useful Geronimo components from https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/ > > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/KEYS > > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/components/txmanager > • TomEE (txmgr+connector) > • Meecrowave (txmgr) > • Aries (txmgr) > > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/components/ > geronimo-schema-javaee_6 > > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/genesis/ > • Maven parents for geronimo-specs > > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/javamail/ > • TomEE as delivery > • Lot of standalone > • -> we can ask Hendrik pby > > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/specs/ > • TomEE > • OpenWebBeans > • Meecrowave > • OpenJPA > • Johnzon > • BatchEE > • Karaf > • Aries > • Tons of external customer projects which don’t want to use some > official javax jars due to licensing concerns > > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/xbean/ > • TomEE > • OpenWebBeans > • Meecrowave > • Aries > • Karaf > • OpenJPA > • CXF (supported) > > Osgi-locator too but guess this one can drop and belong to karaf or > servicemix. > Q: well we need the osgi locator in our geronimo-specs, isn’t? > > > I've created a google doc. Just ping me if you want to edit something and > I'll share it. > > David, you mentioned JASPIC. I could not find that even. Is this inside > the geronimo-server probably? > Are there other gems which are not maintained as components but just > inside geronimo? > > txs and LieGrue, > strub > > > > Am 09.03.2017 um 08:44 schrieb David Jencks <[email protected]>: > > > > I go back and forth on whether to shut G down completely. Perhaps it > would be useful to inventory which parts are used by which other projects? > Off the top of my head…. > > > > Specs …. who uses G’s and who has their own? > > > > Components…. I think there are several users of the transaction manager, > I don’t know about the connector framework, and I’m pretty sure no one uses > my jaspic implementation. The TM is stable but now that faster than > spinning rust persistent memory is popular the logger could probably be > rewritten to be much faster. > > > > xbean …. tomee I believe, anyone else? Does activemq still use > xbean-spring? Knowing more about osgi now I might be able to gets > xbean-blueprint to work:-) > > > > yoko is used by IBM, I doubt anyone else will get all excited about > CORBA and start contributing. > > > > Any other bits being used? > > > > If we kept G around in a reduced state, how will we maintain enough > interest to file the board reports? Some days I think I might have enough > interest and some days not. > > > > If we did not shut down the whole project would we mark the removed bits > (server primarily) as not being developed or move them to the attic? > > > > thanks > > david jencks > > > >> On Mar 8, 2017, at 11:15 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> A valid point is activity related to G happens elsewhere, However > elsewhere is not "tomee" which would make things simple to move but A, B, C > so shutting down G is likely the easiest solution for G itself but also the > worse for all its dependent projects - and ASF consistency since G is now > seen as the owner of specs, xbean etc....Today G is the result of > communities and I don't see it as a bad thing even if not common @ASF. It > allows new interactions with sometimes completely different area of > knowledge which is actually great and can't happen elsewhere IMHO (the dead > of G would mean fork per project probably). > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Romain Manni-Bucau > >> @rmannibucau | Blog | Old Blog | Github | LinkedIn | JavaEE Factory > >> > >> 2017-03-09 5:13 GMT+01:00 Matt Hogstrom <[email protected]>: > >> I’ve monitored G for several years since my departure. For me, JEE is > not my main area of focus and as such, I’ve invested little time in the > project apart from reading the e-mail threads. This is a community > decision and posting the discussion to dev@ is the right venue. > >> > >> As an inactive member I don’t have a strong vote, but, my observation > is that most of the community has moved on and there is little activity. > If those that are still active want to keep going then God’s speed. > >> > >> Matt Hogstrom > >> [email protected] > >> +1-919-656-0564 > >> PGP Key: 0x90ECB270 > >> Facebook LinkedIn Twitter > >> > >> "I’m smart enough to know how dumb I am." > >> - Hogstrom > >> > >> > >> > >>> On Mar 9, 2017, at 08:47, Jason Dillon <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> On March 8, 2017 at 10:44:45 AM, Mark Struberg ([email protected]) > wrote: > >>>> Alan, I understand that you don't want to put much more energy into > this project. That is totally understandable and fine. > >>>> But while you are PMC chair you still cannot declare that the project > is dead as long as there are enough PMC members still active to keep the > project going. > >>> > >>> Mark, I agree with Alan and Kevan, though put into my own words I > think the project and community is no longer viable (and has not been for a > while). I do believe there are still useful aspects to the project, but I > don’t think its enough to leave on its own. > >>> > >>> We can certainly wait for more PMC members to chime in if they are > still monitoring. As Jeff recommended I’m including the private@ list > for PMC folks that may not be paying as much attention to the dev@ list. > >>> > >>>> Before we dump the project I suggest we start with an analysis of > where we are right now. > >>>> > >>>> What about starting look into > >>>> .) Who is still active and willing to continue Geronimo as a > ee-commons project? > >>> So far I’ve not really seen anyone over the past days of communication > about this. But we’ll see. > >>> > >>> —jason > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> .) Which project parts of the project are of some shared interest and > might be good to get some maintenance love and some realistic chance that > this is gonna happening? > >>> I can’t speak for the others, but I have zero interested in putting > any love in to any of what is presently here. > >>> > >>> I will defer to others to explain if they feel otherwise, though I do > recall some chatter on private@ but will probably need those folks to > re-post to dev@ to include that discussion. > >>> > >>> —jason > >>> > >> > >> > > > > -- Best Regards, -- Alex
