I am OK with Grails 8.1.x based on Spring Boot 4.1.  No concern there.  Just 
wanted to avoid supporting Spring Boot 4.2 on Groovy 6 and also Groovy 5.

James

On 2026/10/11 11:06:08 James Daugherty via dev wrote:
> Mattias has objected to https://github.com/apache/grails-core/pull/16554 .
> I oppose this proposal because I think it's important to release
> enhancements in 8.0, especially those slated for 8.1 that are finished. I
> do not want to wait for 9.0 as there's a strong chance it will be delayed
> further.
> 
> On Sun, Oct 11, 2026 at 10:42 AM James Daugherty <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> 
> > I'm ok with this proposal with one exception: if we can get the progress
> > feature back ported to 8.0.  This is that PR:
> > https://github.com/apache/grails-core/pull/16554 I believe I'm still
> > waiting on Mattias's feedback for this.
> >
> > -James
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 11, 2026 at 2:02 AM James Fredley <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Updates based on feedback.
> >>
> >> PROPOSAL
> >>
> >> 1. Grails 9.0.x
> >>    1. Merge the 8.1.x branch into the 9.0.x branch.
> >>    2. Do not release 8.1.x. Skip that line.
> >>    3. Ship 9.0.x as a focused release that brings Grails current with
> >> Groovy 6 without waiting for the next Spring Boot line.
> >>    4. Base it on Groovy 6.
> >>    5. Turn invokedynamic on by default.
> >>       Turning invokedynamic off is not a viable default. In Groovy 6.0.0
> >> the classic call-site implementation has moved out of groovy-core into the
> >> separate groovy-callsite module and is on a path to deprecation. Core
> >> dispatch already uses invokedynamic.
> >>    6. Include the two PRs from Scott related to JSON changes on Spring
> >> Boot 4.1.  Possible other minor and quick PRs.
> >>    7. Target 9.0.0 for the end of November 2026.
> >>    8. This release catches Grails up to Groovy. Apache Groovy 7 work has
> >> already started: https://github.com/apache/groovy
> >>
> >> 2. Grails 9.1.x (previously discussed as the 10 / 9.1 line)
> >>    1. Base it on Groovy 6 and Spring Boot 4.2.
> >>    2. Target 2027 Q1. Aim to release within one month of Spring Boot 4.2
> >> GA.
> >>    3. Use this minor line for the Spring Boot 4.2 upgrade so the major
> >> version bump is reserved for material breaking changes later.
> >>    4. Set a firm target date to limit feature creep.
> >>
> >>
> >> James
> >>
> >> On 2026/10/09 05:53:48 Søren Berg Glasius wrote:
> >> > I tend to agree with Mattias.
> >> >
> >> > 9.0.x: Groovy 6, Spring 4.1 Major bump in Groovy version -> Major bump
> >> in
> >> > Grails version
> >> > 9.1.x: Groovy 6, Spring 4.2 Minor bump in Spring version -> Minor bump
> >> in
> >> > Grails version
> >> > 10.0.x: Groovy 6 (or 7), Spring 5, Major bump in Grails version
> >> >
> >> > And then set some target dates for those releases, so we don't end up
> >> with
> >> > feature creeping in the last weeks before that date.
> >> >
> >> > Getting 8.0.0 out of the door has been a feat and it's going to be GR8,
> >> but
> >> > it has also taken longer than it ought to.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Den tors. 8. okt. 2026 kl. 20.28 skrev Mattias Reichel <
> >> [email protected]>:
> >> >
> >> > > Then, the common ground would be 9.0 and 9.1?
> >> > >
> >> > > Den tors 8 okt. 2026 20:05James Fredley <[email protected]>
> >> skrev:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Spring Boot 4.2.0 will likely come at the earliest Dec 20 2026,
> >> which is
> >> > > 6
> >> > > > months after 4.1.0.  https://endoflife.date/spring-boot
> >> > > > Since that is Christmas, Jan is more likely.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > My #1 item on this discussion is getting Grails 9.0.0 on Groovy 6
> >> out
> >> > > soon
> >> > > > and not waiting until Feb or March, so we can catch up to Groovy.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > My #2 is trying to avoid supporting Spring Boot 4.2.x on Groovy 6
> >> and
> >> > > > Groovy 5.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > The Grails 10.0.x vs 9.1.x version number is less important for me
> >> > > >
> >> > > > James
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On 2026/10/08 17:41:45 Mattias Reichel wrote:
> >> > > > > Hi James, it seems we are not understanding each other.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > I'm not suggesting we upgrade to Groovy 6 in Grails 8.1.
> >> > > > > I am suggesting we release Grails 9.0.0-M1 with Groovy 6 and
> >> Spring
> >> > > > > Boot 4.2 right away.
> >> > > > > There we will be current and up-to-date and able to test
> >> everything.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Why would it be January before we can adopt Spring Boot 4.2 when
> >> we
> >> > > > > can start testing it on M2 today and RC1 in a couple of weeks.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > /Mattias
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Den tors 8 okt. 2026 kl 18:39 skrev James Daugherty <
> >> > > > [email protected]>:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Hi Mattias,
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Our release policy says we can't update on minor versions, if we
> >> > > could
> >> > > > we could technically make 8.1 have Groovy 6 support.  The reason a
> >> major
> >> > > is
> >> > > > being proposed is because we're trying to follow our release policy.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > It will also likely be January before we can adopt Spring 4.2.
> >> If we
> >> > > > wait to put groovy in, 4 months will have passed and major Groovy
> >> > > > development will have started back up again. The reason to get on
> >> Groovy
> >> > > > faster is so that we can be doing development while they are. We
> >> have
> >> > > been
> >> > > > 2 versions behind to date and I'm skeptical we'll catch up if we
> >> wait to
> >> > > > release support for Groovy 6. Based on what I've already found with
> >> 5,
> >> > > I'm
> >> > > > worried further language decisions will be made prior to our
> >> adoption and
> >> > > > it will be too late to change them by the time we find them.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > From a support perspective, support ends on 4.1 in Summer 2027
> >> and
> >> > > for
> >> > > > 4.2 at the end of year on 2027.  Jumping to 10 to 4.2 grants 6
> >> months of
> >> > > > additional support, so I wouldn't consider 4.2 a minor.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > What's being proposed is to skip / jump ahead so we don't stay
> >> > > behind.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > -James
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > On 2026/10/08 08:15:41 Mattias Reichel wrote:
> >> > > > > > > My feeling is that with this plan we are moving too fast with
> >> > > little
> >> > > > gain.
> >> > > > > > > I fail to see the up-sides of doing this, but I'm probably
> >> missing
> >> > > > something.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > From a user perspective I think it would be strange that the
> >> main
> >> > > > > > > selling point of Grails 10, as it stands now, would be a
> >> minor bump
> >> > > > of
> >> > > > > > > Spring Boot.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > We need to help the rest of the Grails ecosystem to catch up
> >> as
> >> > > well.
> >> > > > > > > I'm also pretty certain there will be much maintenance work on
> >> > > > Grails 8.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > I think we should release Grails 9.0.0-M1 with Groovy 6
> >> (indy-on)
> >> > > > with
> >> > > > > > > Spring Boot 4.2-M2 and start testing end applications early
> >> against
> >> > > > > > > that.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > As was the case for Grails 8, I'm sure there are also many
> >> great
> >> > > > ideas
> >> > > > > > > and features that need time to develop, polish, review and
> >> test
> >> > > > before
> >> > > > > > > going into a major release.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Spring Boot RC1 is scheduled for October 22 which
> >> historically has
> >> > > > > > > meant a GA one month later. That schedule has been in flux
> >> but it
> >> > > > > > > seems the Spring team is trying to get back on track:
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> https://github.com/spring-projects/spring-boot/issues/50902#issuecomment-5914928034
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Also important to factor in is the extra OSS support time of
> >> Spring
> >> > > > > > > Boot for Grails 9.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > If Spring Boot 4.2 is released late November, which my guess
> >> it
> >> > > will
> >> > > > > > > be, we will have shot ourselves in the foot, doing a Grails 9
> >> with
> >> > > > > > > Boot 4.1.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > That Groovy master is already on Groovy 7 is to my
> >> understanding
> >> > > just
> >> > > > > > > how that project works.
> >> > > > > > > As soon as Groovy 6 was released, it became a maintenance
> >> branch,
> >> > > and
> >> > > > > > > only gets backport fixes from master.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > /Mattias
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Den ons 7 okt. 2026 kl 17:57 skrev James Fredley <
> >> > > > [email protected]>:
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Hi all,
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > This is a follow-up to the earlier thread and to today's
> >> weekly
> >> > > > meeting.
> >> > > > > > > > This is a discuss thread, not a vote. The goal is to settle
> >> the
> >> > > > language
> >> > > > > > > > for a follow-up [VOTE] on the next several Grails lines.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Grails 8.0.0 is out (Groovy 5, Spring Boot 4.1). Work toward
> >> > > > Groovy 6 is
> >> > > > > > > > already on the 9.0.x line, and Apache Groovy 6.0.0 is out.
> >> Groovy
> >> > > > 7 work
> >> > > > > > > > has already started: https://github.com/apache/groovy
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Please comment on the plan and on the wording. If you want
> >> to
> >> > > > change the
> >> > > > > > > > language, copy the whole proposal block below, paste it
> >> into your
> >> > > > reply,
> >> > > > > > > > and edit it there. Do not send a partial rewrite or a diff
> >> of a
> >> > > > > > > > sentence. A full replacement block is what we will carry
> >> into the
> >> > > > vote.
> >> > > > > > > > If you agree with the block as written, a +1 on this thread
> >> is
> >> > > > enough.
> >> > > > > > > > Discussion on this thread is not a binding vote.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > PROPOSAL (copy this whole block if you want to change the
> >> > > language)
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > 1. Grails 9.0.x
> >> > > > > > > >     1. Merge the 8.1.x branch up into the 9.0.x branch.
> >> > > > > > > >     2. Do not release 8.1.x. Skip that line.
> >> > > > > > > >     3. Ship 9.0.x as a lighter release: bring Grails
> >> current with
> >> > > > > > > > Groovy, without waiting on the next Spring Boot line.
> >> > > > > > > >     4. Base it on Groovy 6.
> >> > > > > > > >     5. Turn invokedynamic on.
> >> > > > > > > >        1. Turning invokedynamic off is not a viable
> >> default. In
> >> > > > Groovy
> >> > > > > > > > 6.0.0 the classic call-site implementation has moved out of
> >> > > > groovy-core
> >> > > > > > > > into the separate groovy-callsite module, and that surface
> >> is on
> >> > > a
> >> > > > path
> >> > > > > > > > to deprecation. Core dispatch already uses invokedynamic.
> >> > > > > > > >     6. Target 9.0.0 for the end of November 2026.
> >> > > > > > > >     7. This release catches Grails up to Groovy. Apache
> >> Groovy 7
> >> > > > work
> >> > > > > > > > has already started: https://github.com/apache/groovy
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > 2. Grails 10 (the line previously discussed as 9.1.x)
> >> > > > > > > >     1. Rename the planned 9.1.x line to 10.
> >> > > > > > > >     2. Base it on Groovy 6 and Spring Boot 4.2.
> >> > > > > > > >     3. Target 2027 Q1. Aim to release within one month of
> >> Spring
> >> > > > Boot
> >> > > > > > > > 4.2. That window is tight because of existing time
> >> commitments.
> >> > > > > > > >     4. Use the major version bump so the release can carry
> >> > > material
> >> > > > > > > > breaking changes and move the framework forward.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > James
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> 

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